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DeepSeedSounds
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Posted: 06 January 2026 at 7:55pm |
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wow look at . sweet van rig !
i’m kinda torn now … i still have a feeling of enjoying the journey of building my own rig . I wouldn’t want to do it though if it cost more and ended up not sounded as good as a cheaper second hand system
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Lucasdude
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Posted: 06 January 2026 at 8:07pm |
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That example system would have cost around 6k new. Building speakers is fun and rewarding, but it's not a cheaper alternative for your requirements. If you're not in a hurry then maybe you should hire some equipment and see what fits your bill.
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njw
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Posted: 06 January 2026 at 9:30pm |
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I completely understand wanting to build your own cabs, it's immensely satisfying hearing cabs that you put blood, sweat and tears into, it's even better when you get compliments on how they sound!
However, in your position I don't think I'd be able to look past something like the Martin Audio system above, you won't get a better system for that sort of outlay.
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DeepSeedSounds
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Posted: 06 January 2026 at 9:41pm |
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hmm i think i might be straying from the roots of the idea . The events are very wholesome / cosmic and experimental affair . Charlie who i do it with is an amazing musician / dj and sound designer and im from a woodwork punk background and i think it would be cool to build something sculptural and awesome sounding …. but i think im starting to realise without a huge amount of knowledge and experience , going off piste from plans and tried and tested methods is a bit of a recipe for disaster.
But i think we may still go on with the build it yourself idea just for fun and experiment. For now if anyone want to fire over some inspiration of cool builds or ideas or references that would be ace . It’s gonna be a slow project so let’s see what happens
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Lucasdude
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Posted: 06 January 2026 at 10:21pm |
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I absolutely understand where you're coming from. I love it when design and high quality audio clash with spectacular results. The problem is that it ends up costing a fortune. Take Bang & Olufsen, Bowers & Wilkins Nautilus and a host of other high end companies for example. The premium looks and design cost as much as and often more than the sound quality. In the mass produced pro audio market, its very difficult to approach the sound and build quality offered for anything like the same price when you DIY. The cost of wood, paint, drivers, handles, grills, connection plates, crossovers/processors, flight cases, cables, connectors.... the list goes on. To buy these items for just a one off build is way more than big companies pay for them. Even after that, when you compare new prices to used then its even more crazy. On that example system, just the price of the 2 Martin Audio Blackline F12+ top speakers is over £1k new so add everything else you see there to make a complete system and you can see how expensive it can be. I think you'll need to decide where your priorities lie for the budget you can afford. I found that system within 2 minutes of looking, so I'm sure you can find something similar in the future if that's the direction you want to take (although that is a VERY keen price for such a decent setup).
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Lucasdude
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Posted: 06 January 2026 at 10:46pm |
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Just thinking outside the boring black boxes that you might end up with, there's nothing to stop you from making them more interactive with a regular audience. I'm sure there are many options, but one that I just though of is to paint them with matte blackboard paint and leave a box of coloured chalk out. If it's an artistic crowd you're playing to, then why not invite them to customise the soundsystem at every gig? Just take a few photos after, give them a quick wash and you'll have a pretty unique result to keep every time. Just a childish little thought!
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Posted: 07 January 2026 at 8:58am |
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If you got the time hoarding decent drivers and in the meantime searching for a aesthetical pleasing design (please stay close to reflex or closed systems for such a small room) that is the way to go. in the meantime learning about driver parameters over here and so is a great pastime. the most underrated but important frequency band is the mid band.. mostly people end up buying amazing horns and big subs but chuck in a cheap or tired driver for the 150hz-1khhz band.. but thats where the magic happens in voices and instruments. better a really good 10" than mediocre 12" is my opinion.
in the meantime my rig for inspiration. cobbled together for less than 2000 euros with amps and sl1200's by waiting patiently; https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=3624481674532087&set=gm.2740156926138924&idorvanity=403273539827286
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el chupacabra
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Posted: 07 January 2026 at 2:31pm |
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It's worth mentioning that a lot of stuff on the used market was built before the price of 18mm bb grade birch sheets went from 30-40£ to 110-150£ as sanctions took a big chunk out of the market supply from russian birch.
It is sometimes not very economical these days considering the amount of stuff that has already been built. However you can be assured of it's integrity over a long period of time when starting from scratch as long in the tooth cabinets can have rattles/leaks in them that render them useless and difficult to remedy. |
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Larry23
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Posted: 09 January 2026 at 4:35pm |
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I've not got the exact costings with me, will pop them up here when I get a chance, but I've priced up a system recently, made up of new and secondhand drivers, with secondhand electronics (EV/Lab gruppen/MC2 and XTA), alongside material and hardware costs, that comes under your budget for a front loaded system with similar spec to the Martin one, that was posted up earlier in the thread. Its very possible to build a decent system for that kind of monies..
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Posted: 10 January 2026 at 7:16pm |
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If all you want is a decent small system, have a look at somewhere like Thomann’s active loudspeaker sets section of their web page. There will be likely something listed that will work, and is within your budget. With the amplifiers built into the cabinets there is less to move about and it simplifies the set up.
If you just buy a few random drive units, use a passive, off the shelf, crossover between the mid and top, plus a cheap analogue/active crossover between the bass and mid, you are very unlikely to improve on a commercial system. With regards to the Martin system linked to, The biggest selling feature is the badge. The Blackline series is nothing special. It works as well as any other sub/mid/horn in a couple of boxes would, but it must sound better because Martin. It should not be that difficult to match this. In my opinion, the system that Lucasdude uploaded a photo of would be more than enough for you current needs. The only reason for using a 12” or 15” driver in a mid/top cabinet is to give more bass output if it is used without a sub. With a 3 way system the bass cabinet does the heavy lifting. Acoustically, an 8” drive unit is larger at 100Hz than an 18” driver is at 40Hz. A smaller mid drive unit will integrate better with the high frequency driver. To improve on these commercial systems, you really need to use a digital speaker processor (dsp), and then learn how to set it up, which, if you want to do it properly, means using a measurement microphone. There are plenty of free software programs on the internet. If you are thinking of building more cabinets in the future, with a 2 in 6 out dsp, a 4 channel amp for mid/tops, and a 2 channel amp for bass, you could have a common amp rack with different presets for different systems. If you are determined to build your own system the BMS 12S330 or Ciare 12.00SW, are a better option than the Volt driver linked to. For simplicity of mid/tops, an 8” coaxial drive unit would work well. I have used the BMS 8”, but I would imagine that similar units from B&C, Faital, etc would sound just as good. |
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Posted: 12 January 2026 at 10:25am |
This isn't the system I'd originally priced up, I'm on hols at the mo, but it's an example of what could be put together from scratch, buying kit that's available new from Blue Aran, Lean Business, and second hand kit on ebay/marketplace currently, along with sheet material from Creffields (or other sheet material supplier), and building the cabs. You could use far more expensive BB/BB birch ply, but I think if you're on a budget, and it's an install, that's not going to get bashed about touring etc, cheaper ply will work fine on your budget. You'll likely use less than 4 sheets, but I wanted to ensure there was enough for fabricating ports/bracing etc.2 x SB AUDIENCE ROSSO 12MW300 £270 (new)2 x B&C 18TBW100 £480 (S/H) 2 x B&C DE36 £108.72 (new) 2 x B&C ME20 £32.60 (new) 4 x recessed speakon plate £4 8 x NL4MPXX speakon sockets £15.04 4 x bar handles (273mm) £13.08 3 x metres 2 core 2.5mm speaker cable £3.81 4 x 8'x4' sheets hardwood ply £200 Glue/screws/filler £50 Paint £100 EV P3000 £500 (S/H) LAB GRUPPEN LAB1600 £320 (S/H) MC2 T1500 £175 (S/H) XTA DP226 £450 S/H) Total £2452.25. Edited by Larry23 - 12 January 2026 at 10:40am |
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Posted: 12 January 2026 at 5:27pm |
With 6 drive units, each cable is 0.5m long. How does that work? I would have suspected a typo, but Blue Aran's price of £1.27 per metre x 3 metres = £3.81 says not. If using 4 pin Speakons with two drives in the top cabinet, 4 core cable would be a better option than 2 core. Using Blue Aran's price of £3.20 per metre, and a more realistic length of 6m each (still short), gives 24 x £3.20 = £76.80. Personally, I don't see the point in quoting prices for second hand equipment. I managed to buy a low use Sennhiser wireless mic, with a 865 capsule, plus the receiver and case, for £40 off ebay. I doubt that is typical. Prices can vary considerably. Searching for the XTA DP226 bought up prices from £567 to £1200 on ebay. Given that the main aim of going the second hand route is to keep costs down. Even at the prices you quoted, your amp rack combo totals £1445. Buying new (Thomann prices), A DCX 2496 crossover, TSA 4-700 and NX6000 comes to £883. Additionally it comes with a guarantee, and as a bonus, the total rack weight will be less than the weight of the EV amp. The badges on the second hand stuff might get you a few kudos points on forum like this, but in reality, at a gig, no one will care or be able to tell the difference. |
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