Small Rig work in progress - Advice needed.

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   I'm looking for some help and inspiration for a small yet functional system for mostly small (less than 100 people) parties. My existing setup is hobbling along with injuries after lending it to someone who wasn't very respectful, and returned it with a frazzled bass driver. I'm now having a rethink as the setup wasn't ideal for it's use and I'd like to get it right rather than just fix the old setup. 
Probably best to start off with what I have - 

Speakers - 
4x Tannoy V8 (dual concentric full range speaker) - Planned for top and mid duties, but currently running in full range.
1 x (and 1 broken) Tannoy VS10 bandpass subs.
2 x Warrior Audio 400LF Sub speakers (pretty crappy 15" plastic things that I got cheap to get the system back up and running while I worked out plan b) Like these - https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/warrior-pro-400-lf-bass-speakers-1694678231

Rack - 
2 x Chevin Research a500 (for the v8s)
1 x Chevin Research a1000 (for the subs)
1 x Alan & Heath PA12
1 x Tannoy TX1 (totally useless crossover unit that I don't use) 

The current config is basic, I'm running everything into the desk, and then the mains out to the 2 a500's (for the v8's left and right) and then using the 'mono out' with the built in crossover to the a1000 (for the subs).

The plan is to add a little more bottom end, and retain the musical (hifi like) sound of the current setup. I'm not after huge SPL's or gut churning bass, but I want the system to be able to handle many different styles of music (Reggae, Dub, House, Breaks, Funk, Soul etc), ideally at low mid and high volumes, rather than needing to be cranked to get the drivers working. But with a depth and richness to the bottom end, that the current system lacks. The current Warrior Audio subs are shitty plastic things, and I could potentially steal the 15" drivers from these and make significant acoustic gains by putting them in a large cardboard box, but perhaps there's a better use for them in some DIY enclosures? Or scrapping them and building something with bigger 18's. 

Any advice or suggestions greatly received. 

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m@d Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Registered User Joined: 12 March 2025 Status: Offline Points: 35	Post Options Post Reply Quote m@d Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Small Rig work in progress - Advice needed. Posted: 12 March 2025 at 7:27pm
	I'm looking for some help and inspiration for a small yet functional system for mostly small (less than 100 people) parties. My existing setup is hobbling along with injuries after lending it to someone who wasn't very respectful, and returned it with a frazzled bass driver. I'm now having a rethink as the setup wasn't ideal for it's use and I'd like to get it right rather than just fix the old setup. Probably best to start off with what I have - Speakers - 4x Tannoy V8 (dual concentric full range speaker) - Planned for top and mid duties, but currently running in full range. 1 x (and 1 broken) Tannoy VS10 bandpass subs. 2 x Warrior Audio 400LF Sub speakers (pretty crappy 15" plastic things that I got cheap to get the system back up and running while I worked out plan b) Like these - https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/warrior-pro-400-lf-bass-speakers-1694678231 Rack - 2 x Chevin Research a500 (for the v8s) 1 x Chevin Research a1000 (for the subs) 1 x Alan & Heath PA12 1 x Tannoy TX1 (totally useless crossover unit that I don't use) The current config is basic, I'm running everything into the desk, and then the mains out to the 2 a500's (for the v8's left and right) and then using the 'mono out' with the built in crossover to the a1000 (for the subs). The plan is to add a little more bottom end, and retain the musical (hifi like) sound of the current setup. I'm not after huge SPL's or gut churning bass, but I want the system to be able to handle many different styles of music (Reggae, Dub, House, Breaks, Funk, Soul etc), ideally at low mid and high volumes, rather than needing to be cranked to get the drivers working. But with a depth and richness to the bottom end, that the current system lacks. The current Warrior Audio subs are shitty plastic things, and I could potentially steal the 15" drivers from these and make significant acoustic gains by putting them in a large cardboard box, but perhaps there's a better use for them in some DIY enclosures? Or scrapping them and building something with bigger 18's. Any advice or suggestions greatly received.

Jan-2T Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Registered User Joined: 18 October 2024 Location: Belgium Status: Offline Points: 137	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jan-2T Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 12 March 2025 at 8:15pm
	Indeed, follow your gut and scrap the crap With those 8"s I would love to see some nice 15¨ reflex cabs, or even a dual one. In general, the advantage over 18" or more complex cabs is they can play a bit higher, so nice match with the 8¨s Many plans around or fun to adapt/simulate/calculate/design, and manageable to build. My suggestion, you find some secondhand drivers for a budget you're comfortable with. Go for major brands like B&C, Beyma, RCF, eighteen-sound, the likes of those. Usually the price goes up with the power rating, however I have been surprised many times by some lower power speakers, so don't get blinded by those numbers Check in with the forum if you're not sure if drivers are fit for sub duties.
	Music!

m@d Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Registered User Joined: 12 March 2025 Status: Offline Points: 35	Post Options Post Reply Quote m@d Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 12 March 2025 at 8:28pm
	Thanks Jan. Great advice! Any suggestions for reflex cabs I could consider? I'm not scared of a build, but I'm also in mid house renovation so if I dick about too much on toys distracting myself from proper diy, my wife might start getting grumpy

Jan-2T Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Registered User Joined: 18 October 2024 Location: Belgium Status: Offline Points: 137	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jan-2T Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 12 March 2025 at 8:56pm
	If you want to keep the speaker options wide open, find a speaker and then select the right cab design for it. Like this you can browse for secondhand speakers, or maybe speakers on sale in a shop. If you're set on a design you should pick the speaker it is designed for, sometimes alternative drivers are suggested but mostly at a small tradeoff. Usually this will lead you to buying new, finding a specific speaker secondhand is more difficult. example of a build over here https://forum.speakerplans.com/first-build-15-inch-sub_topic98485_page1.html?KW=15n630
	Music!

m@d Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Registered User Joined: 12 March 2025 Status: Offline Points: 35	Post Options Post Reply Quote m@d Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 12 March 2025 at 10:30pm
	Thanks again for the great advice. I hadn't really considered such intricate pairing of cab design and driver. I'd only really considered cab volume, power and impedance as factors. Better start doing some more homework! I'll take a proper look at the design you shared. I think the v8's have a round port in each corner too so that might make for a nice aesthetic pairing together!

m@d Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Registered User Joined: 12 March 2025 Status: Offline Points: 35	Post Options Post Reply Quote m@d Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 May 2025 at 6:00pm
	Quick update. I was keeping a keen eye on Facebook marketplace, looking for some suitable cabs. Ended up Picking up a set of Turbosound txd-115 and a set of txd 151 tops for £200. So I got my 15" reflex subs and a set of 15" tops to go with it. Now need to look at amplification as I think the turbos like a bit of overpowering. Any suggestions for a good sub amp with 600w @ 8ohms?

Andylaser Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Registered User Joined: 16 April 2010 Location: Southampton Status: Offline Points: 392	Post Options Post Reply Quote Andylaser Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 May 2025 at 7:30pm
	200 notes for those is a nice result. :) Edited by Andylaser - 13 May 2025 at 10:36pm
	"music so loud, that if we move in next door to you; your lawn will die" - Lemmy

m@d Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Registered User Joined: 12 March 2025 Status: Offline Points: 35	Post Options Post Reply Quote m@d Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 May 2025 at 10:02pm
	Yes I did think it was a good deal. I sold the crappy warrior subs for £90 so worked out well.

BrainlessTekno Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Registered User Joined: 20 February 2023 Location: Slovakia Status: Offline Points: 381	Post Options Post Reply Quote BrainlessTekno Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 14 May 2025 at 8:20am
	thats a nice little system for just 200... would take it anytime
	BarSick / barsik soundsystem Dont want to toot my own horn but toot toot

Jan-2T Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Registered User Joined: 18 October 2024 Location: Belgium Status: Offline Points: 137	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jan-2T Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 14 May 2025 at 11:47am
	Nice one! what a bargain
	Music!

m@d Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Registered User Joined: 12 March 2025 Status: Offline Points: 35	Post Options Post Reply Quote m@d Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 14 May 2025 at 12:02pm
	Yes, I was fortunate that the guy had bought a job lot of kit, and recouped his investment selling other unwanted kit, kept what he wanted and had these spare, so was selling them super cheap. Apparently people were contacting him on facebook offering much more than he listed them for, but as he'd told me I could have them, and I was enroute to collect he let me have them. He was happy to have them gone, and I was more than happy to take them off his hands . Just need to sort an extra amp, as I think the Chevin A1000 will be perfect for powering the 151 tops, and the A500's can power the v8's nicely (will work well as monitors), I just need a beefier amp for the subs, to give them 600w @8ohm. The turbos sound great when using the sub out (100hz crossover) from the mixer, but sound like shite when using the crossover in the cabs, so I need to amp the subs and tops separately.

DJ-Versatile Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Registered User Joined: 04 March 2013 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 409	Post Options Post Reply Quote DJ-Versatile Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 15 May 2025 at 7:17pm
	When you can, invest in a half decent DSP. Will allow you to set limiters to protect the speakers, play around with X/over points and EQ. I use a DBmark XCA24+ as I only have a 2 way system, but can use it as mono 3 way if I need too
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