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    Posted: 16 February 2007 at 10:52pm

this is my first post on this board.  hope its in the right topic.  seems a lot of people here have said the kilomax 18 can't be used in a horn.  i have been using them im my designs for the last 6 -7 years with good luck. here are some pics.  if anyone wants the plans or info letme know and i will post

 
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got any data?

you know horn response n stuff like that
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its hard to model in hornrep.  the attached pic is one box  open space 1w into 4 ohms at 1m.  The 65hz dip goes away when 3 or more boxes are coupled.  even though the kilomax doesn't have the strongest motor the horn loads it down to about 40hz.  the drivers don't reach Xmax anywhere in there operating range at 1000W rms.  this is partly because there is no rear chamber.   the sound is very good up to around 100-110hz.  bass notes and timbre are clearly defined without the hard sound of some boxes designed for high spl.  has to be used with strong midbass (kick boxes for UK guys) for most music.  i sometimes use them with dual 15 frontloads tops for the drum and bass partys.  BTW, i have never blown a kilomax 18 from over power.   i run 1 box a side with crest a 9001. 

 

for some reason i can't post a pic now.  will try later.

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here is the plot.  also, i meant to say "ground plane"  not "open space"
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"seems a lot of people here have said the kilomax 18 can't be used in a horn."
 
Not me, the T/S parameters on the EMINENCE KILOMAX PRO-18A look good for a scoop type horn, the mass corner is about 117hz.

I like the way your design looks. How hard was it to build (once you got the first one sorted out)?

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These cabs look awesome!  However I can not see much from the first photo. Any plans or drawings? It looks as if the woofers fire into in each other? Kilomax has got bad reports on this forum whish makes me ask are you doing something new? Keep the music punped up.
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@logsquared: Those look wickeddddddddd m8!!! Nice design and build.Just needs more paint layers or a better paint finish now.
 
Looks kind of like the Lab Horn Sub. Are the drivers exposed like that? Or just for use to see?
 
As Bassmaxx uses a simular design with exposed drivers.
 
 
 
 
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reminds me of the BassMaxx
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The design is nice but doesnt that design destroy those 18s in seconds, the pressure in that throat must be pretty extreme?

18s are a bit dubious for horn subs anyway from a cone strength POV let alone the poor specs of the kilomax range.

I like the idea of no rear chamber heh

Thats also a lot of weight and a pretty short horn path length for the size of driver by the looks of it. 105 or 106dB average is pretty good and the response is quite flat to 40Hz but I reckon you could get the same with a pair of 15s or 12s in a much smaller box

Ive seen kilomax used in horns and reflexes before and the 1000W is a bit of an overstatement, that massive heat sink aint for nothing! While it may take 1000W a sound engineer friend of mine did some tests and you dont really get any improvement over 500-600W, certainly not the 3dB you would expect to get, more like 0.5dB or 1dB

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if you think about it, it's like a reversed scoop. without the rearchamber on the back the driver would almost be seeing the same pressures as if it where in a scoop. i could see why it might sound nice, scoops do sound nice and warm BUT, the use of a stronger built driver will give better results when using a rearchamber.
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One question: they have no sealed rear chamber, but when you stack them in a line as per the picture, doesn't that seal up all of the driver access holes and give the cabs a rear chamber, albeit a bit leaky?


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here is another pic looking at the upper drivers when stacked in 4 wide. 
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