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    Posted: 17 April 2014 at 5:18pm
Anyone had any experience of these?

My band has been booked to do an outdoor event later in the year. Three bands, back of a trailer in a walled car park. 450 capacity.

Just been talking to the guy doing sound and he says he is using these for the event. Two subs/four tops per side. Are these going to do the job?

I have never heard them but he says they are magic and do much more than they look capable of. He couldnt give me any details of spl output though.

I dont know about the third band but us and the other band are loud rock with loud backline. These things dont look like they move a lot of air.
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Used them at a rehearsal studio/stage/live venue - capacity about 200 - If the sound requirement is no more than marginally above pub band standards, then they're fine.  I would say though, that this venue had the same setup, indoors, to less people, and to me, it lacked a lot of the bottom end I would expect, whilst also being pretty cutting at the top end.  It's all manageable, but I wouldn't much fancy trying to play to 450 people, outdoors with it. 

Turn your backline down, and you might have a chance though ;)
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Shocked Turn the backline down!!Cry
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Take more boxes of elements and You will be fine
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I hope you guys are first on the bill, I think my ex GF fired a few of these mixing at what she assured me (and I totally believe, she is a professional engineer and if she say 98dB +/- 2 and your meter say 101, get your meter checked!) was a "kinda start of gig volume" that was in a small club, outdoors, I think the chances of the second bands hearing them are ... Zero!
 
If it is near Surrey I can sort some proper (blue) PA!
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Originally posted by AJordan AJordan wrote:

He couldnt give me any details of spl output though.
Each HK element has a rated sensitivity of 97db and a 150w power handling.. you do the math. This is a home theater speaker system masquerading as PA equipment.


Edited by Conanski - 19 April 2014 at 4:26am
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Hmm! It doesnt bode well. More boxes of elements arent an option.

I'd love to have your proper blue PA shag but its happening up in north yorkshire.

Trouble is, its being organised by some enthuiastic locals with no budget for sound who just hapen to know the guy with the elements system. Same town has an annual mini festival and the organisers of that one usually hire in a proper rig but this one has next to no budget.

I would take our PA (Logic LS15 tops and 18" reflex subs) but I didnt think that would be enough either.
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looking at the system I wouldnt imagine 2 of the little subs handling outside work, I would question how much knowledge this guy has if he thinks that would cope..
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Originally posted by Conanski Conanski wrote:

Originally posted by AJordan AJordan wrote:

He couldnt give me any details of spl output though.
Each HK element has a rated sensitivity of 97db and a 150w power handling.. you do the math. This is a home theater speaker system masquerading as PA equipment.
 
5.9 to Canada!! LOL
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Where abouts in Yorkshire, and what date? We might be able to help.
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@ 100 volt line - its in Hawes on 5th July. I am guessing you could be pretty busy that day for the same reason this is happening!
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Maybe you could borrow/rent 2-4 extra subs to give it some extra bottom end. 4x tops per side could carry quite far if you stack them on top of eachother.
But it will always be a compromise as this is mainly a speach/background music system.
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