12" Tapped Horns?

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   I seem to remember a thread by Deadbeat about 12" tapped horns, based I think using the Ciare 12.00sw.  Any links or any suggestions?

I've been playing around with a dual 6th order bandpass box using the Ciare, potentially to get the size down so i could get a pair of them and my X15's in the car.  At the moment its one double 18, but not both.

Curious how a single 12" tapped horn would compare with a double 12" BP6 of roughly same cab size?  Range would be around 40hz to 110hz.  Obvious benefits of less drivers and less weight if they could get to similar levels, and I could prob go for another pair for the bigger gigs then.  I guess 4 12" TH's would be quite good if done right?

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norty303 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Old Croc Joined: 18 August 2004 Location: Eastbourne Status: Offline Points: 8800	Post Options Post Reply Quote norty303 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: 12" Tapped Horns? Posted: 04 January 2009 at 6:07pm
	I seem to remember a thread by Deadbeat about 12" tapped horns, based I think using the Ciare 12.00sw. Any links or any suggestions? I've been playing around with a dual 6th order bandpass box using the Ciare, potentially to get the size down so i could get a pair of them and my X15's in the car. At the moment its one double 18, but not both. Curious how a single 12" tapped horn would compare with a double 12" BP6 of roughly same cab size? Range would be around 40hz to 110hz. Obvious benefits of less drivers and less weight if they could get to similar levels, and I could prob go for another pair for the bigger gigs then. I guess 4 12" TH's would be quite good if done right?
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Contour Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Young Croc Joined: 03 March 2004 Status: Online Points: 677	Post Options Post Reply Quote Contour Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 January 2009 at 6:22pm
	Before hardly anyone knew what a tapped horn was, I designed one for the Ciare 12.00SW. I called it the 'stepped horn' take a look at www.speakerstore.nl and you will understand why. This one works very well with the Ciare 12.00SW it is aimed at 30-80Hz so real sub duty. Best regards, Walt

norty303 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Old Croc Joined: 18 August 2004 Location: Eastbourne Status: Offline Points: 8800	Post Options Post Reply Quote norty303 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 January 2009 at 7:05pm
	That'll be the one! Thanks. I'm going to have to look into this abit closer i can see, I need a quite specific footprint for this box so it fits into the carrying space available. Folding will be the key i think.
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MarjanM Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Old Croc Joined: 10 February 2005 Location: Macedonia Status: Offline Points: 7845	Post Options Post Reply Quote MarjanM Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 January 2009 at 7:25pm
	You should do something like the TH Minis. I think it is close to this internaly
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Sheggy Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Old Croc Joined: 23 May 2008 Location: London Status: Offline Points: 1984	Post Options Post Reply Quote Sheggy Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 January 2009 at 7:13pm
	Walt's stepped horn is the only sub I've built (much respect Contour) and you really can't argue with a design that goes that low and that you can build in a day. The whole thing with a Ciare 12.00 SW cost me under 150 quid to build. The only thing I'd say is that, to my ear at least, it lacks some punch in the kick drum. This isn't a problem for me; I don't play techno/dance and it sounds sweet and warm crossed over at 60-80 Hz. I've been thinking of ways to fold it but then I saw this: http://www.speakerplans.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=21659 If I ever find the time, I'll build a single 12" version of the EAW BH but with steps after Walt. I've sketched it up but need to work out the chamber size for a Ciare 12.00 SW. I'd be interested in what Contour and Marjan think about this ... S

Deadbeat Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Old Croc Joined: 12 March 2008 Location: Singularity Status: Offline Points: 3167	Post Options Post Reply Quote Deadbeat Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 January 2009 at 12:37am
	The steps thing is much better at the LF your TH works at. The BH will suffer...it's not the right design imo to 'step' - the current folding is efficient re wood - stepping the straight panels isn't such a good idea... If you want a compact beast, chop and fold the stepped horn into a box Or design your own for a larger bandwidth.
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MarjanM Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Old Croc Joined: 10 February 2005 Location: Macedonia Status: Offline Points: 7845	Post Options Post Reply Quote MarjanM Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 January 2009 at 11:34am
	+1
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FlipC Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Young Croc Joined: 25 October 2007 Status: Offline Points: 666	Post Options Post Reply Quote FlipC Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 January 2009 at 10:33pm
	Sheggy Have you worked out the BH760 ? It looks allot like a 25 Hz Sub from this Joe guy- link is at home will try to remember to post asap.

FlipC Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Young Croc Joined: 25 October 2007 Status: Offline Points: 666	Post Options Post Reply Quote FlipC Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 January 2009 at 10:36pm
	Also does anyone have the HR data for that stepped horn?

MarjanM Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Old Croc Joined: 10 February 2005 Location: Macedonia Status: Offline Points: 7845	Post Options Post Reply Quote MarjanM Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 January 2009 at 11:22pm
	BH 760 dont do 25 Hz. It is all a marketing mabmo jumbo. It has too small mouth and not long enough horn to be able to do that. Lab Sub cant do 25Hz and it is much bigger box..
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FlipC Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Young Croc Joined: 25 October 2007 Status: Offline Points: 666	Post Options Post Reply Quote FlipC Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 25 January 2009 at 10:18am
	Marjan I was refering to the sub this one reminded me of. Sec let me find HAHA Uh seems I have the plans for this particular sub already. The items is Doc5.htm Will check later if exact same but looks it. Measures: 1252x650x786 ? Well crap cant find what I am looking for. It is a horn that has an added extension to get it down to 25-28 Hz. I swar I have plans somewhere but cant find. ):

Deadbeat Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Old Croc Joined: 12 March 2008 Location: Singularity Status: Offline Points: 3167	Post Options Post Reply Quote Deadbeat Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 25 January 2009 at 12:16pm
	BH882 is the one you're talking about (absolutely massive W-bin, as seen in MOS). Oh, all these model numbers...
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