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    Posted: 07 March 2009 at 6:38pm
Just thought I'd drop a message to say having fitted 6mm access panels on my last punisher build and getting a few quiries from discruntled blown ciare owners I am happy to offer a retro fitting service to fit recessed, 6mm 6082 aluminium hatches to punisher cabs.



I will be monitoring the response from the freshly built cabs to see how they fair.

You can drop your cabs off and i'll recess fit the hatches.

Chuck us an email if I can help.

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good idea depending on the stacking arrangement i supose...

need to some how have the heat sink in the horn mouth to ensure contact with the air really. i think these cabs would benefit alot from less thermal/power compression

how much are these tom?
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Nice. 

Though they must cost a pretty penny. 
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they're not too bad - not as bad as you'd think. I'll cost em up and stick it up.
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Did some very similar on our punishers, ill post up some pics tomorrow, only used them once so far and the panels didnt even get warm, totally cold to the touch, only running on a QSC 4050HD for now though, i put a smaller ali plate on the panel directly behind the driver, plan is to have it in contact with the backplate of the driver for good thermal transfer, and then mount a computer cpu heatsink and fan to the panel, fan shall be driven from the amp signal via a circuit my mates designd, active heatsinking should be much more effective than passive.  Havent quite worked out how to bolt it all together and keep it airtight yet

Side panels should do something though, id be interrested to see if you get them warm, ive felt the mdf panels on my hds get warm after a night of spanking, there very close to the driver though.
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I hvae thought about fans but think it was over compicated - a cab really shouldn't be designed that it requires such compications to cool!

Perhaps having the panel beneath the driver in the mouth raised from the surface - you could even have 3 or 4 fins spaced apart to really increase surface area. So long as you have good theramal conductivety all you'd need is a few bolts running through coupled somehow to the driver. Sprung loaded plate ar the like.

I'm gonna play with this some more...
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Just a quick thought: As Vpas also stated, it would be better for the heatsink to be in the throat, "to ensure contact with the air really". I think it would also be beneficial, because the magnet of the driver is facing straight down, towards the panel(s) that form the throat horn mouth, so it would really be even closer to the heat conducting material.

So instead of having the alu access panels you would have a alu plate in the throat CV stylee. Would even be possible to retrofit if ti wasnt for the mouth bracing...

edit: unclear wording


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The 3rd picture shows the smaller ali plate in the panel directly behind the driver, sorry about the shadows,.

I think thats the optimum place to put a heat sink panel as its so close to the driver, cant be done as a retrofit though as the brace is in the way as eltron said.

Some info on designing heatsinks here:

http://www.molalla.net/~leeper/heat.htm

Ive not been through all the maths my mates better at that sort of stuff than i am, the jist of it was that active is much more effective than passive for the size.  We tested a cpu heatsink and fan bolted to a smoke machine heat block and it dissapated about 300W of heat, wich would be very usefull to the ciare over long term use i think.

A passive heatsink would be more reliable yeah i aggree tom, but i couldent see a straightfoward way of fitting a big enough heatsink to the cab and haveing it in contact with the driver and pole peice.  CPU heatsinks are very efficiant for there size and there cheep and easy to get compaird to custom heatsinks.  We got some silver epoxy glue, its a stong glue with good thermal transfer, i think were gonna stick all the bits together with a ring plate round the pole peice vent then put a big gasket on it and bolt it all down.



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How much for six fitted?
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What about using those heat tranfer pipe thingies nerds use with computers? Aluminium block attached to the driver and pipes leading to a heat sink somewhere in the horn mouth or access panel
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Originally posted by tomschute tomschute wrote:

a cab really shouldn't be designed that it requires such compications to cool!


Originally posted by pfly pfly wrote:

What about using those heat tranfer pipe thingies nerds use with computers? Aluminium block attached to the driver and pipes leading to a heat sink somewhere in the horn mouth or access panel


are we going in the right direction here, lol


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Well, it could work I guess.

Heat pipes work like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Heat_Pipe_Mechanism.png

As you can see, it's a closed system and fro the outside looks like a piece of copper pipe.

It could be the question of whacking these down the pole piece as close to the VC as possible, then having the cold end in a...cold place, like an ally panel in the horn or out.
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