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the way I have used hornresp is to model as an exponential horn. I use two sections - one which will be the section behind the driver tap and the second the rest of the horn in front of it. the first section should be approx 1/4 the total length but IMO there is a lot of leeway in this. I try to keep the flare contstant of the two sections roughly equal. I think when william said 2:1 compression ration he meant the ratio of Sd to the end of the horn NOT the cross section where the tap is. I assumed that the lowest bass response (which is what we are after with a tapped horn) would be obtained by tapping the driver into the horn where the cross section is the same as Sd so I make the throat of the second section in the model equal to Sd. If you want to use a much smaller horn then instead of increasing the compression ratio find a driver with a smaller Sd but same motor. Sd:mouth ratio should be about 1:3. I modelled in half space and aimed for 6dB-9dB of dip. start by deciding on a low cut off (which will roughly determine the total length) and a cabinet volume; choose an Sd and then play around with the mouth size (which is going to roughly determine the amount of gain and flare constant) and tap position and see if you can get it to work. then try and work out how to fold it! I actually started off by sketching different ways of folding them before I modelled anything. I think I have guessed the folding in three of the danley boxes and one by outline and have come up with a good one of my own. there are dozens of ways to do it but I think ones that have fewer bends near the mouth and avoid an access panel and let you see the cone excursion whilst in use are the most elegant. hope that all makes sense.

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forgot to say - try doubling the Sd parameter in Hornresp and then overlay with the standard plot.

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just realised I didn't mention that I don't think using the combined response function in Hornresp is useful. the model is just going to tell you what the sensitivity will be, where the LF rolloff will begin, whether the dip is small enough that it might work, and whether the cabinet volume is manageable.

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Originally posted by _djk_ _djk_ wrote:

"Is the JTR Growler a version of the tapped horn? "
 
Doesn't look like it from the picture.
 
The growler isn't a tapped.  Tom Danley sure can make speakers. Here's is a measurement from the prosound shootout with the TH-115, Growler and the EM-215. Keep in mind the Growler is half the size of the others!!!
 

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hey Jeff - your hornsub looks real good for 42Hz - guess round thing in picture is access cover -? whats its input Z look like? Freddy
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Originally posted by freddi freddi wrote:

hey Jeff - your hornsub looks real good for 42Hz - guess round thing in picture is access cover -? whats its input Z look like? Freddy
 
Thanks! The round access panel makes it somewhat unique. Those indoor measurements are really bumpy but its all I have showing the extra 8db@40hz and 10db@35hz of Tom's trapped horn.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote philpope Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 May 2007 at 10:36pm
some pretty pictures from AutoCAD
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DJ Vencenzo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 May 2007 at 11:14pm
Originally posted by philpope philpope wrote:

Finally managed to register on the forum What's with all the cookie securtiy issues?
 
I have built 5 boxes with this design. tried a couple of different 15" drivers by 18Sound and RCF and they both work well. B&C and PD do drivers that should work but they don't look as good value IMO. The drawing below is of the origninal prototype I did with all the bracing removed for clarity. The cabinet width is the same as a LAB Sub - you should be able to work the rest out for yourselves. It is difficult to model this - you really need BoxCAD although you can get an idea from using HornResp and MJK's TL spreadsheets.
 
Done a couple of dozen gigs with them including Brockie a few weeks ago. Sound is really good. Been using 2.5KW amp into each cab and 35Hz HPF without exceeding xmax. Planning a shootout against a few other designs in Bristol soon that I should get some accurate response plots for a stack of four from. PM me if you would like to come along.
 
Kudos to Tom Danley for the tapped horn concept and the range of products he has developed. I don't know how close this is to his designs internally but performance seems in the same ball park. Would never have built anything like this without relying on his work - so thanks
 
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Phil (AKA Snowflake)
 
 
 
 
wow that almost looks like your spliting the first wave in half to make a total of 3 exiting the mouth.....maybe 1/16, 1/8, and 1/4....cool man!
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