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    Posted: 27 April 2010 at 1:43am
Guys need help.. can anybody make a horn resp plot for this driver with 186 and wsx box. Any comment on this driver?

A dealer here in my place introduce this to me, just wanna check hows it like, price pretty much the same as PD1850..thanks very much.

Fs 31 Hz
Re 5.4 Ohm
Bl 28.1 N/A
Mms 236 g
Cms 0.1 mm/N
Rms 6.5 Kg/s
Qes 0.33
Qms 7.40
Qts 0.31
Vas 205 dm^3 (7.24 ft^3)
Sd 1174 cm^2 (182 in^2)
Xmax * 12.9 mm
Xdamage ** 28 mm
Le 1.45 mH
Mmd 213 g
Eta Zero 2 %





Edited by streetsounds - 27 April 2010 at 1:51am
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Originally posted by streetsounds streetsounds wrote:

Guys need help.. can anybody make a horn resp plot for this driver with 186 and wsx box. Any comment on this driver? thanks very much

Fs 31 Hz
Re 5.4 Ohm
Bl 28.1 N/A
Mms 236 g
Cms 0.1 mm/N
Rms 6.5 Kg/s
Qes 0.33
Qms 7.40
Qts 0.31
Vas 205 dm^3 (7.24 ft^3)
Sd 1174 cm^2 (182 in^2)
Xmax * 12.9 mm
Xdamage ** 28 mm
Le 1.45 mH
Mmd 213 g
Eta Zero 2 %





Just looking at parameters tells you it will be ok, but not great.

BL = good,
Vas = stiff suspension, so will have good control at high power,  but low extension will be average,
Fs/qes = not ideal for horns, but will still work,
Xmax=probably lies, but should still be at least 10mm.

Qes & No = not very efficient.
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Thanks lev, I am trying to compare this to sd18el  which is more than half the price faital pro. Will  there be any advantage if i use this driver against sd18el.

SD18EL TS Parameter:
Resonance Frequency
Fs
35.9 Hz
DC Resistance
Re
5.5Ω
Mechanical Q Factor
Qms
6.065
Electrical Q Factor
Qes
0.292
Total Q Factor
Qts
0.278
BL Factor
BL
26.50 T x m
Effective Moving Mass
Mms
164.84 gr
Equivalent Cas air load
Vas
253.41 liters
Effettive piston area
Sd
0.1220 m2
Voice - coil inductance @ 1KHz
Le1K
0.77 mH
Half-space efficiency
Eff
3.90 %
Airgap Height
Hag
12.0 mm
Voice coil Height
Hvc
24.5 mm
Voice Coil Over-Hung
Xmax
6.3 mm
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That faital woofer will function better in a compact bassreflex I think, give faital pro a call, they are very helpfull.



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Originally posted by streetsounds streetsounds wrote:

Thanks lev, I am trying to compare this to sd18el  which is more than half the price faital pro. Will  there be any advantage if i use this driver against sd18el.

SD18EL TS Parameter:
Resonance Frequency
Fs
35.9 Hz
DC Resistance
Re
5.5Ω
Mechanical Q Factor
Qms
6.065
Electrical Q Factor
Qes
0.292
Total Q Factor
Qts
0.278
BL Factor
BL
26.50 T x m
Effective Moving Mass
Mms
164.84 gr
Equivalent Cas air load
Vas
253.41 liters
Effettive piston area
Sd
0.1220 m2
Voice - coil inductance @ 1KHz
Le1K
0.77 mH
Half-space efficiency
Eff
3.90 %
Airgap Height
Hag
12.0 mm
Voice coil Height
Hvc
24.5 mm
Voice Coil Over-Hung
Xmax
6.3 mm



Above specs indicate that driver will sound much warmer/deeper than the Faital, and also much more sensitive.

How ever, low Xmax and Mid BL tell you it won't take that much power in 186 Horn.

Can you not get hold of Fane drivers where you are?

Fane 18-1000 might be serious driver in that cab.
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Can you get RCF?
Think they have a few drivers suitable for the 186 horn, heard a stack of 4 last summer and it was brutal! loaded with RCF for sure but don't remember the exact model.
The RCF's are around the 250/350 euro and availability should be good.
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from 140hz the sd18el does a little better, but the rest is thesame, according to hornresp.
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Thanks gents.
 
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Can you post the hornresp here, thanks a lot
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