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Check socket first & reset the software configuration.. the opamps used are fairly robust; a last shot after eliminating everything else, if comfortable with soldering try swapping over the opamps to determine if one is at fault ..iirc, there are afew people out there selling them, looked them up ages ago.
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A typical one to keep an eye out for is theres a headphone mode that puts one signal in one ear, one in the other for monitoring, check thats not engaged !
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sabbelbacke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 April 2014 at 3:08pm
If you double checked the inputs (RCA), the hedaphones, etc... .then in most oft the times its the socket itself. Open the mixer an check if signal is present at the soldering points of the headphone socket, maybe it´s a loos or cracked soldeirng point. If present and if re-soldering doesn´t fix the problem, change the socket.
Are you familiar with changing und checking OP-Amps?
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thanks for the replies guys. the split-mode is definitely not activated. and factory reset has been done.

not familiar with checking op-amps, only a little theory at college.

I've only got a basic digital multi-meter so can check ac/dc voltage, current, resistance.

to check the socket connection I guess I'm going to need something plugged in with wire exposed so i can get a connection?

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OK - i plugged in a jack to rca into the headphone socket. getting <0.2 ohm between the 3 wires soldiered onto the socket PCB (earth L and R) and the respective ends of my rca plugged into it - so it would appear the socket is fine from that i guess?
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Put a 50Hz test tone through it at 0dB and you should be able to measure 0.775v AC with your multimeter at all the points there is good line-level signal. Headphone output should be a couple of volts. You need to use 50Hz as unless it's a very good true-RMS meter, it's only accurate for 50Hz, not music signal.
Or, chop the plug off a pair of headphones to expose the wires, ground the ground wire, tin the end of one ear's positive lead with solder to stiffen it - then use it as a probe to see if the headphone amp is giving out a good signal on both channels, by carefully touching it to the appropriate pins of the chip.
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is the headphone pot ok?
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I'll have a play with a 50hz wave after this weekend, gunna be busy today/tomorrow.

interesting comment regarding the pot. I assume the device is actually controlling 2 variable resistances? (that should be changing the same amount with each other) the left channel does change in volume with the pot slightly (right channel unplugged so you can actually hear it) so maybe that is knackered. guess I just do a resistance check at the pins of the pot and look for similar changes on each of the left and right channels on the pot?

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I havent seen the diagram for the mixer but I'm guessing the pot is a stereo one. Most digital mixers of course use voltage control and a mono pot but the behringer...well
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hi folks, have finally got round to taking apart - just wondering if it would be expected that the pins on the dual volume pot would be typical of all dual pots? there's 6 pins and picking one at random on the RS catalog shows pins 1, 2 and 6 belong together, and 3, 4 & 5 for the other "channel". is this typical? anyone know what i should expect to see resistance-wise on this pot please?

there is a pic of the pot here (VR26) - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/30091626/misc/pot.JPG

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further update. based on the assumption the pins on these headphone pots are the same as the pots I've seen on the RS website then I get the following pot resistances (multimeter set to 2k range)

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/30091626/misc/pot%20values.jpg

from that it certainly looks like the "inner" section is not changing as the knob is moved. at loud volume i was hearing some quiet sound in my left ear (right ear blaring out) but i'm assuming this is just some sort of bleed on the pot/headphone socket/my headphones...

gotta be worth changing it out if i can get a new pot cheap surely?? how would i know i'm buying the right one - would one expect a marking on the underside to indicate the total resistance and taper type etc?

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ok schoolboy error. used the meter set at 200k and now get values of 50k ohms when turned fully CCW. full values here:

so it looks like it's a 50k pot, with some sort of non-linear resistance taper :)

only issue i have now, looking at the data sheet i've found, is that mine is a 30mm shaft, which only seems to be available in 10 or 20k, or a 50k that is listed for use with tone as opposed to volume.

so I guess next query is.... what do i replace it with!

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