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Originally posted by andariel andariel wrote:

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Throw can be much larger with such a technology.


Throw is a matter of technology. It is about how fast you loose SPL over distance and if you keep a linear response at larger hearing distances. It has nothing to do with SPL capability only.

At all large format line arrays the compression drivers cannot be strong enough and the limit when you bump up against air losses. For a single cabinet you might be correct, but this is likely not the intention of how the speakers are to be used.

Its a bit different at line arrays.

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folks, its my personal, subjective experiences after all..
i`ve a/b`d the dh18 in person to our old subs, both nlw9601 loaded, both had similar issues and lowend response, which isnt anywhere near the claimed 28hz f3..
(th118 doesnt go low enough either for my liking tbh. ;))

to my ears the qx top just doesnt sound right, its clean, its loud but theres something i dislike about it compared to the j3-94 for example, which do sound more natural/unifom to my ears at similar spl..

qx mhf is a fixed vert. dispersion, `seamless` hor. arrayable unity `linearray` horn - no control on vert. hf throw by design, other than the asymetric WG, hor. theres passive+active "shading" options.

..its pretty easy imo to make "clic clac techno/goa etc." sound well enough, which is what qxs are often used for, with more complex signals things happen to change quickly, imho. 

my main gripe with the lambda `marketing` is the constant lack of facts/proof/measurements available - if i`d claim to have a unique/superior product i`d try my best to back those claims up with independant tests.. no usefull data came up since those cabs were launched a couple of years back.. although there was money available to cover the dumping price strategy to undercut the usual festival hire rates just to get the cabs/systems out.. ;) 



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Someone in a German forum (http://www.hifi-forum.de/viewthread-127-3178-3.html) measuered the DH18 in a stack of 4...

... With/without preset but always without highpass: http://www.directupload.net/file/d/4505/u95shjhv_png.htm


In the post it is described, that the measurements were taken outside 2 meters away of the subs, the next surface was 10-12 meters away. Level is calibrated to give 1W on the stack of four (-6dB for a single sub).


And it does play more than electronic music ;)



And no, I don`t work for them or earn any money with LL products. I just heard some of their things and found them very impressive compared to pretty much anything else...
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2m is too close to properly measure subs
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote bass*en*mass Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 February 2021 at 6:52pm
Originally posted by Racks&Stacks Racks&Stacks wrote:

2m is too close to properly measure subs

exactly..! 
(that close, specially with larger stacks you would measure partial nearfield rather than true 1/2 space farfield, which adds a boost/gain according to the stacksize/half WL it supports, afaik, for easy comparison the 10m, fixed voltage setup seems a better way)

"1w 1m" - at what impedance of the not available plot? 
no highpass? - that "measurement" is clearly with a hpf and lpf in place.. + propably 1/6 smoothed too
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Yes actually the German text on the graphs says "without low pass". 
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Also states that the sub is in S mode, that from specs trades 2 dB on sensitivty for 2hz Lower extension... 
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Originally posted by Jo bg Jo bg wrote:

Also states that the sub is in S mode, that from specs trades 2 dB on sensitivty for 2hz Lower extension... 


I don`t see this 2db exactly, but the frequency responses look very solid and clean with a nice 30Hz -3db corner frequency.

When you move your mic further you usually get more SPL than in the nearfield, because of directivity... Maybe there is more difference when measured in 10m.

The spectral decay look fine too.

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Originally posted by bass*en*mass bass*en*mass wrote:

no usefull data came up since those cabs were launched a couple of years back.. although there was money available to cover the dumping price strategy to undercut the usual festival hire rates just to get the cabs/systems out.. ;) 

And now with this HOQS paraflex rubbish doing the same. 
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i believe the lack of specs / pricing / info is down to their distro model (and marketing) - they seem to really want each deployment to be done properly by their approved partners. i can respect this. 

this is sort of what funktion one have lost over the years, their pool of distributors has become dilated with poor quality. Void seem quite good at this. 

my girlfriend has played on two Lambda rigs over the years and she has nothing but amazing things to say. 

i personally own a pair of CX2A coax wedges, and they are fantastic, easily the best monitors of that style i have heard. i got given them which was quite nice :) 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MarjanM Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 February 2026 at 2:12pm
Which rental companies in Europe has the LL system?
My impression is that all the festivals that i have seen the LL system are the one supplied by LL them self. I ma not aware of anyone that actually invested in LL system.
I might be wrong.
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Bottom of page 2 says something, no names though. 

Edited by Keen - 18 February 2026 at 2:45pm
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