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Tom Umney 
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 Topic: Maybe build the Punisher 2’s???Posted: 17 June 2005 at 10:04pm |
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The 15 inch scoop I bought from mans1000 is extremelly heavy and thats unloaded too. So will have to keep that in the garage and only use that for events on the ground floor. So I guess the Punisher 2 is more compact and less heavy than a 15 inch scoop, if I build a Punisher out of 15mm birch ply??? But hopefully 2x Punishers 2's stacked together and used in events I do on the 2nd floor with max 100 ppl will be sufficent?? [mostly reggae,dub or dnb is played]. I would use the suggested Ciare driver and power it with either a bridged rmx2450 each punisher 2 bin[giving it 1500w rms each], or get a rmx1850hd and then [two in bridge,900w rms each driver] or rmx4050hd [two punisher 2 bin's in bridge] but 2000w rms to each driver might f**k it. But how difficult is it to build the punisher 2??? And how heavy would it be with the Ciare driver in it, if I make it out of 15mm birch ply??? Cost is not a problem this time as the Ciare drivers is only £99 each.
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Posted: 17 June 2005 at 11:31pm |
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It's a how long is a piece of string question innit?
 The punisher certainly looks more complicated than a scoop, which is more complicated than an X1 which is more complicated than a closed box. Have you ever built a box? You seem to talk about buying or having them made for you a lot, so I figure your a box building newb like my good self. Speaking of which I was out looking at table saws today, my local store has a small one for $87 so that maybe the way to go. I can swivel the blade on it and everything.  Please all critcise it now, before I buy it. I'm thinking of skipping the shallow end, and jumping in the middle of the pool by building some scoops to start with, hey with a handle like rastaman, what do you expect 
Then after a slew of scoops I will progress towards the deep end, with
some folded horns, like looneys, or punishers, or LABhorns depending
what fits in best, maybe one of Roborgs infrabass beasties.So Toxic is the Punisher more like half a LAB or a cut down looney bin? At tb_mikes advice I've been reading through the LAB history, and they talk at one point about a halfLAB, though it sounds like it's kind of a one hand clapping deal, where you need the other halfLAB to get anywhere, wheras Punisher people say that even one a side produces some nice sounds. Anyone in the Midwest who wants to show of their horn in me barnyard, get in touch I have the luxury of no close neighbours, we could run experiments on how corn responds to sub-bass (or after reading the Holliman stuff, infrabass)  Edited by rastaman |
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Posted: 18 June 2005 at 3:59am |
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Ahhhhhhhh! so thats how crop-circles are made! CORN + HEAVY BASS = FLATTENING.
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Posted: 18 June 2005 at 4:13am |
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A punisher and a scoop are different animals completely. The punishers
would pull the pants off the scoop output-wise. When stacked huugely
the scoops might go a little lower, but as to the rest....
Two punishers should be more than enough for 100 peeps (actually, one should be enough). Two mid-tops like the X12 would be a simple addition or if you want it really simple but a little bigger X15s. |
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Posted: 18 June 2005 at 9:17am |
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Ok one Punisher 2 then!!! And although my woodworking skills are pretty crap,my m8 offered to help me build it[as his job is a carpenter]. So if I use the pair of RCF ART 500's and pair of Behringer B1520's too[modified with Eminence Delta Pro 15's now] with 1x Punisher 2, I don't want the Punisher 2 to over power the mid/tops or the mid/tops to over power the Punisher 2. What I mean by that is don't wanna hear just bass or don't wanna hear just a lot of mid/highs.
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Posted: 18 June 2005 at 9:26am |
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So apart from the driver and wood and bits and pieces like screws are there any special things the Punisher 2 has??? I know the Labsub has special metal access covers, not sure if Punisher 2 has that? Or just a normal wooden access panel. Also what adhesive and what sealent are used to make the Punisher2??
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Posted: 18 June 2005 at 12:31pm |
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Punisher is about 45kg I think. Access cover is just 15mm birch ply. I think our carpenter is going to caulk (spelling?) the joints. Just make sure the sealed section is a very good air tight seal.
Get the 2005 driver with 8 bits on the spider. We're buildng one now and trying it out as an idea as to what it can do but chances are we will stick with them. |
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Posted: 18 June 2005 at 12:56pm |
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Someone told me to make the whole punisher 2 out of 15mm birch ply as its much lighter than making it out of 18mm birch ply. Will poly filler give a good enough air tight seal??
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Posted: 18 June 2005 at 1:02pm |
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Oh and does the Punisher double as a sub bass bin and a kick bin in one??? I mean would I be able to get from 45hz-200hz out of it?? |
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Posted: 18 June 2005 at 1:58pm |
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Wouldn't you be better off building a pair of 18in reflex cabinets? They would work easily down to 40hz, and upto 200hz like you want, and would be lightweight and much cheaper / easier to build. Or you could buy a couple of Basys B15 subs |
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Posted: 18 June 2005 at 3:09pm |
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Had 18 inch reflex cabs before, hated them and got rid of them. Cost is not a problem as the Punisher driver is only £99, and 15mm birch ply for 1 Punisher won't cost more than £100. My m8 is a carpenter and is willing to help so even if its complex to build,with his help I'll get them done. And as long as two people can lift the punisher its not too heavy. Just wanna make sure 1x Punisher covers the range 50hz-200hz. Edited by ToXiC |
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Probably cos its made of 22mm MDF.
And even the help of my strong friend we couldn't lift it up the stairs.
So could afford to spend more on 15mm or 18mm birch ply.
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