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@ Jamie: you need a very, very clever 18" Bass-Reflex to get to a listenable result crossed that high. It can be done, but it is very rare to see it done.

The Punisher will make it that high, but it is recommended to cross it below 130Hz if you can. However if the sound of scoops doesn't phase (warning: pun) you used that high, neither would that of the punishers.
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Hello,

The Punisher sounds best when crossed low (90-130hz) this is the same for almost every folded horn I know of. Crossing them low also gives you the advantage that all the power (1500W on a single Punisher can be seen as optimal) is in the real bass range so that way the cabinet moves most air.

Punisher is build out of 15mm birch ply. But it uses 4 reinforcement panels so it is quite a strong cab. The 15mm wood gives you a low weight which is favorable with transport. If you are planning to build them for an install job you can use 18mm for the outer panels.

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walt, although 1500 W is the recommended power for these boxes i don't
currently own anything that'll do that without resorting to bridged mode.
what is the bare minimum you have to use to get the driver to 'wake up'? i
know the ciare is of the 'low sensitivity-high power handling' school of
driver construction, have you ever tried them on something a little less
powerful, or is this missing the point of this cab.

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Hello,

We have run the Punisher for cheaper low wattage amps. This will work but won't let the Ciare stretch its legs. I think 800W RMS is minimum.

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hmm. i kind of figured this was the case. i shall be keeping my eyes open
for something which will make them sing as there isn't really any point
building them and never powering them properly. like 1850 horns, these
boxes are only for people who can afford big amps. an infinite 8
would just about do the trick at 1300 W into 8 ? and 2400 W into 4 ?.

and it's over a grand... boo-hoo!

such a tempting cab though with its inexpensive driver, compact size, low
weight and huge output and i've heard encouraging noises about
using 1 a side. hmm, just a thought but can you get the ciare (or similar)
in a 4 ? version? i could easily give it 725 w then, which is getting on for
useful.

james.

edit: footnote. curses, all those question marks were neat little omega
symbols, i was feeling very smug for remembering the shortcut key too.

Edited by james, ind.st
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Hello,

Here in Holland we get both 4 ohm and 8 ohm Ciare 12.00SW for the same price. I think you have to talk to your Ciare supplier.

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Originally posted by james, ind.st james, ind.st wrote:

hmm. i kind of figured this was the case. i shall be keeping my eyes open
for something which will make them sing as there isn't really any point
building them and never powering them properly. like 1850 horns, these
boxes are only for people who can afford big amps. an infinite 8
would just about do the trick at 1300 W into 8 ? and 2400 W into 4 ?.

and it's over a grand... boo-hoo!
I'll say the horrible word Behringer

I think you just missed norty selling one.

Dom said he's still waiting for his to break down, as I recall.
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I think we might just use our two old amps in bridge mode which will maximise our amps (only 8ohm bridge stable) but provide a nice 1400w RMS.  Get two punishers and thats 2800w RMS total.  Hopefully that'll be louder+deeper than our current mess of 18" Bass Reflexs (totaling 1600w RMS)
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Quote Dom said he's still waiting for his to break down, as I recall.

Thats where mine went actually, going into the club with the other one.

My T.amp will do 1400w @ 8R bridge.... 

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Why haven't I seen that on Behringer's website then?

As used by Dom, god of the HD15

At least it's one reliable report with positive thinsg to say.
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i'm scared of bridge mode. should i be?

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I don't think so. Most amps will take it.

I seem to recall an external bridging device in one of the popular electronics magazines in the UK during the 80's, made some outrageous claim along the lines of 1 bridging device plus two 100W amps gave you 1000W or some such, they had the circuit for the bridge and amps. I remember being very impressed at that young age until of course reality said it was impossible.

I'd be wary of putting too low an impedance on a bridged amp. Then again some of todays amps will drive in bridge down to an ohm or so I believe (don't own any myself).
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