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Topic: Perfect low/sub for the Turbosound TXD-081Posted: 19 September 2010 at 12:31pm |
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Hello to all you friendly people,
As the title says, I am looking for a low/sub woofer to combine with a pair of Turbosound TXD-081 speakers I have lying around here. Here's a specsheet: ftp://ftp.turbosound.com/datasheets/txd081.pdf Absolutely amazing speakers; very loud, good quality, compact... well, I just like them very much for the money. The speakers are powered by the Crown XTi1000. Good amplifier with build-in audio processor. And that's pretty handy, but not really comparable to the real professional stuff.. Here's a specsheet: http://www.crownaudio.com/pdf/amps/139472-3.pdf The amplifier suits reasonable to the speakers. But for good headroom in all situations I would recommend a amplifier from around 500-600 watts @ 8 ohm (rather than 275). And now my question to you guys: what low/sub cabinet will suit nice to my turbo's? I know a lot of subs will do the job. But I am looking for the PERFECT MATCH (and I'm the critical type of guy). I was thinking of a 15" BR? Double 12"? I prefer a single-driver cabinet, because of the costs. Sound quality is the main desire. Second is the sensitivity or SPL. Third is the size. WEIGHT IS NOT A ISSUE! (150kg or 15kg, I don't mind at all) I hope that anyone nows the answer to this! Thanks a lot, Greetings, Teun (4AC) Edited by 4AC - 24 March 2011 at 9:08am |
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Posted: 19 September 2010 at 1:00pm |
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BTW, the idea is to use the same handles on both sides of the sub like this:
![]() Both sides are like one very large handle. I used this monitor once, and the practibility and handling was stunning with this handles. Further, the LOOK of the cabinet will be mostly the same as the TXD-081, so turbo-blue and the same painting. Greetings, Teun |
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Posted: 19 September 2010 at 1:30pm |
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I would go for a simple low-tuned 18" reflex box. I would make two with top hats so you can mount your TXDs on poles. There are lots of easy to build 18" reflex designs out there and they would give good punchy low bass to meet the clear mid of your cabs. You would need another amp, something that could do sub but you might not need a xover if that amp has a sub out and time alignment won't be ness. Would be a nice little system if you spend the money on good components.
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Posted: 19 September 2010 at 1:49pm |
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I was happy with my Ciare 12.00SW loaded mini sub and other people have built similar with the BMS 12S330 (which can go a bit lower in a similar size box at the expense of sensitivity). As the maximum continuous SPL of your tops is only 116dB I'd go for a single 12" with either of the above or similar drivers. I'd also use 4ohm drivers to keep the cost of powering them down.
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Posted: 19 September 2010 at 5:43pm |
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Thanks for your quick replies!
Well, you're right about the amp. Before I buy a second one (XTI2000 ore what-ever) it will go fine by using one channel for the turbo's and the second channel for the subs. I used this configuration before, successfully. The amp has a built-in crossover, eq, pink-noise, delay, limiter, etc. etc. No problem at all! And, it does relatively fine on low. No comparison to a macrotech 5000 or crest 9001, but, that aint a comparison at all if you look to price, weight and go on. A 18" br, I wonder if that would be the bes option, quality-wise. This kinda sub propably won't go high enough and my turbo's won't go low enough. I think there will be a 'gap' between the sub and the top. The Ciare in a BR also isn't the way in my opinion. You can do 2 things with them: - loud and not low - low and not loud Also the driver needs a lot of power to get them really moving. To get everything where you buy them for. I don't worry much about the SPL of my tops. When crossed relatively high (let's say, 150 hz and on) they are louder than the specs assume. More ideas are always welcome! Greetings, Teun Edited by 4AC - 09 March 2011 at 3:41pm |
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Posted: 19 September 2010 at 5:43pm |
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Like I said before, I am pretty critical about my sound.
Excuse me for that ![]() Some more information: The equipment will mainly be used INSIDE. Maybe 4, 5 times outdoor. For any kind of sound, from music-playback to a live/band or so. Difficulty of the built doesn't bother either. If I can't do it, someone else will do it for me. No problem. ![]() The reason that I was thinking of a BR, is because they mostly have a very linear response to the whole sound-spectrum. My other option is to buy second-hand gear. Maybe I should open a new topic about that here. Options that I have already seen before are: - EAW SB150r (with MX100) - Kling & Freitag SW115D - Dynacord CP15-1 (and CP 12-1, but they don't go loud- and low enough?) - Turbosound 15" sub (TXD or Live/TL series) - EV SB122 (very ugly aesthetics) I Know what it will cost me when I buy one of these second hand. Now I'm looking what I will get for my money when I built one. Edited by 4AC - 09 March 2011 at 3:42pm |
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Posted: 19 September 2010 at 6:15pm |
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Single 15" reflex is almost certainly the way to go. For example I've got a couple on the go at the moment which are a Beyma 15LX60 in an 80L box. Won't go very low (ie below about 45Hz) but quite efficient and very compact.
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Posted: 19 September 2010 at 6:39pm |
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OK, that's what I was thinking too.
But, why should I use a BR instead of a BandPass or hybrid/ARLS? Witch design and woofer will give me the most linear response from -let's say- 45 hz to 150 hz? Greetings, Teun |
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Posted: 19 September 2010 at 7:05pm |
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Loads of suitable 15" drivers out there just depends on your budget. Choose from one of the top brands and you will not go far wrong.
IMHO it needs to be BR because you will need it to play fairly high. Look for one that you know will work and sound good up to at least 250 hz. It does look at though you have already made your mind up though and would just like a little mutual cuddle. Tony Edited by Tony Wilkes - 19 September 2010 at 7:05pm |
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www.forteaudio.eu - BMS - db-Mark Processors - Lexon (SAE)
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Posted: 19 September 2010 at 7:06pm |
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Bandpass won't go high enough to cleanly meet the 8", you need a direct radiator.
Hybrid horn/reflex systems tend to be very efficient but also quite large. |
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Posted: 19 September 2010 at 7:10pm |
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He really does not need the output though Chris if they just have to keep up with the 8" jobbies.
My double 8" units are looked after by a single 15" per side pretty much like the box you described i.e. 80L tuned 42hz. Tony |
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Posted: 19 September 2010 at 7:16pm |
Hahahaa, I guess you're a little right about that... ![]() What para-meters (is that ok in english?) are important for me? Is it possible to say what the fs MUST be or that the xmax must be at least 7mm or something like that? Maybe the... FaitalPro 15XL1400 Ciare 15.75Ndw2 (I can get one of these for 75 euro's, NP +/- 350) Beyma SM115 Beyma 15" g400 ??? Edited by 4AC - 19 September 2010 at 7:19pm |
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