Managed to load them up yesterday evening in a pair of mini scoops to do a little sound check so thought i'd put up this post for people who have been wondering what to expect.  I kinda knew what to expect myself as i'd already had the pleasure of listening to these drivers last year in MY MINI SCOOPS at the pd factory A/B'd with a mk2 1850, which is what made me place my order straight away for 4 after about 5 -10 mins of listening.  

Loaded up the cd player with my favourite speaker test cd (dubz from the higher regionz) fired them up (crossed at 80hz, with flat eq and no parametric) and the memory's of what i heard last year came flooding back with a vengance.  Warm deep bass filling out the workshop and a pair of speakers with hardly any cone movement and begging for more.  Even though it was getting late in the evening i could'nt resist so it was only right that i turned up the amp a little more, added some processing (this is the scoop forum) as you do when you start to get carried away and turned up the mixer.  This resulted in a mist of dust being blown in the air in front of the bins, the place was shaking like never before.  The 1851's still have that disgusting pressure the mk2 was known for only thing now is it seems worse, as the dust was falling from the ceiling constantly. The pressure was agitating the air and threatening to turn my workshop inside out.  But the best thing for me is that it's got a more smoother tone than the mk2 which is what i did'nt like about the mk2 in particular and it's what caught my ear straight away with the 1851.  The 1851 clearly has more excursion than the mk2 also, but unlike some drivers i've seen bouncing all over the place with not much output it's controlled very well by that huge motor and a new designed egde.  At one point i stood in front of the bins and could feel the bass through the concrete floor beneath my feet.  I really could have pushed them even harder as they were no where near ready to give up but had to consider my neighbours, but it was astonishing to see even at that level how much bass just 2 of these drivers could produce.  

All in all would say all previous 1850 disciples are not gonna be dissapointed and i would not be the slightest bit surprised if this driver holds the crown for another 10 years until they revamp it again.  I can see alot of upgrades being made in the next few months once people have heard these with there own ears, the haters will also be around and comment as this driver is more ballistic and better sounding than the last but everyone is entitled to there opinion, and this is my personal opinion of how the driver sounded to me.  And before anyone tries to accuse me of tryin to boost sales of the 1851 i would also say people should not buy a speaker or bin just because theres hype around it, once you've heard it and you like it just buy whatever your ear likes and not base your purchase on what you've read on an internet forum, but i personally think most will like what they hear comin out from this driver, pm pauliepaul for a demo if you don't believe me and judge for yourself.

Gotta give a BIG BIG shout out to pauliepaul who i've been talking to about the 1851's for the last year and got me the drivers before anyone else.  Could not believe the drivers were actually sitting on my kitchen table after all the talk.  He's the only reason i managed to get a listen to the driver last year, so big up yourself bredrin and get ready for some serious orders.

Before we get carried away though, i think it's only right everyone gives some serious props and i give a shout out to the man who spent the last year or so doing the research and design to produce the 1851, had the pleasure of meeting him last year (you know who you are, hope your reading mate).  As the mk2 1850 was quite possibly the most used driver of the last 10-15 years in scoops etc i'm sure this was no easy task and the pressure was on for him to improve a driver which was already hugely successful.  All i can say is keep up the good work mate, and your driver definetly has the ULTIMATE seal of approval .  The new king of the 18" drivers is here to stay.

P.S. my 1851's are 4 ohm drivers and were tested one driver either side of a ca18  Yes thats correct 1800 watts per driver if anyone wondered.

Here's some pictures for you bass heads.

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Sorry for the long post gents,  T.R.U. 

Very clever of you, to use 4 ohm drivers. I know of 4-5 amps, not that expensive, not that heavy, that would be perfect for the job, of 1x 4 ohm driver per channel.

the magnet is nearly the same width as the cone 

so i'm relyin on you guys for first review 

hi marvin, was there a power problem driving a single driver at once? 

did anyone get to stand a good 10m back? 

can it play up to 90 like the 1850? 

look forward to hearing more 

Was this another one of those test where the scoops didnt work or sound right becuase someone didn't ''EQ'' it 

I had been to most of the meets on here and everytime someone has turned up with a scoop its done poor or something has beaten it hands down. And Every time someone says '' ooooh if so & so where here they could pull this building down with just one scoop, you got to know how to use them ''  Its a speaker... plug it in, turn it up & shake the place.

Am using one now running on a 16amp feed and its fine..... & i have ran PL380's off 13a with no problems and even then it was hitting clip.

What are you guys doing 

No one seems to be able to answer my question tho or even better prove this scoop thing :)

Have you been to any of the SP meets Saul ? If so why do you think the scoops have always done so bad ?

and when was the last one of these??? 

shame that another thread has descended into sillyness

I've heard SoundGoods scoops which were made by Opus and there good but the ones people bring to these meets just dont cut it. 

( Not messing around either )

 

any thoughts on 1851 vs tmax1500 ?

 

Agree too!

 

the Hangar Lane Mk2 scoop was very impressive!

 

 

Personally the A.S.S S118 still took on the RX18DC & sounded just as good.

 

Who said deep chambers can't drop like small chambers!

 

so have you just ordered 6x rx18DC with 1851s then tek? 

 

That sounded good!

 

tweeter box wrote:  any thoughts on 1851 vs tmax1500 ?

 

Has the T/max 1500 been tested in this cab yet?

 

 

Nah mate, If I were considering that choice, I'd go for the H/lane mkII due to weight difference & them sounding more or less the same!

 

Got my eyes on them Cow scoops you built, ain't you got a seperate thread on them? or have I missed it!

 

nah dude - no seperate thread, but i can make one! 

i want to hear this hangar lane box. still no-one has told me of a sound that uses them though. where can i go see them?

 

infact i wanted to bring a cow to london at some point - leaving it to lev for the venue tho

just testing fane1000 and 1850 at the moment. 

 

Think it'll be a good idea mate! (with them pix of course)

 

so is this one to get excited about? are we gonna see sounds using this combo in the near future? 

 

You planning to test the Fane 1500 in them ?

 

tell me about it 

 

Strange thing is Saul it sounded nothing like what we heard in B'ham a few months back!

 

but then also tek, we all thought the tmax 1500 sound really poor that day, but apparently lots of peeps say they sound good now!

i thought the fane1500 sounded good that day in comparison to the tmax. 

 

They sounded very poor in different cabs that till I'm still fuming as I brought them up there!   

 

Maybe the ones up North were the mk1's, I've seen there's mkII's on the recones website so maybe they've been tweaked a bit!

Saul wrote: i thought the fane1500 sounded good that day in comparison to the tmax.

 

To true, but still weren't no where as good as what some of us heard in Hangar Lane West London! Parameters eh!

 

danger danger! 

and theyre cheaper than a 3600 

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hence me asking the other day if anyone got to stand 10m+ back from the box. 

Come on levyte a 30kg amp ain't gonna kill ya it seperates the men from the boys, and to think i was considering a 9001 a few months back your probably getting back pain just thinking about it, i think it must be old age mate .

Look on the bright side, the ca12's are 30kg each not 40kg as you stated so i've just saved another 20kg's by doing this post lol.    

As far as systems go i've always brought what i liked the sound of and not what people have told me to get as theres quite a bit of he said she said in this business but if i've heard it and it sounds good to me, then believe i'll buy it and thats why i've been a crest man for a few years now, love em. What i don't like is a rack full of different makes of amps etc, but luckily crest ca's as you know sound great from sub through to tops. My processing gear is all one make and the rest of my amps are crest ca's so i don't wanna spoil the the look with something as ugly as a macrotech and there not exactly light weight anyway.  And besides anyone who attended the best entertainer heats 1 and 2 will realise it's not about the power your pushing it's more important how you use it as it was clearly demonstrated.  Another great benefit of 4 ohm drivers is that the sytem can easily be split into 2 smaller hire/gigs and those ca12's are gonna make a fair bit of noise all off a 13 amp socket runnin a pair of 4ohm 1851's from each amp and thats one of the main reasons i've gone for 4 ohm drivers.  If i was gonna be runnin my set 24/7 myself then i would have kept 2 x ca18's or gone for 4 X 8ohm 1851's and a PKN XE6000 but i wouldn't trust anyone on a hire with that sort of power.

waits..... 

waits.... 

 

Been having some fun with these drivers over the past couple of weeks.....

 

Heard them in a variety of different cabs now... and from a scoop perspective the optimum environment seems to be a medium chamber cab.... although they play very nice in large chamber boxes too. The ASS S118 seems to hold them back a bit, you can still hear the depth that they go to and they still handle the power (more than the PD.1850), but you can tell they are being held back.

 

Heard them comfortably handle batterings from Crown MA3600VZ, Crest CA18, Void Inf 8, EV P3000, QSC 4050 and QSC PL380 (with power issues?)............

 

Many thanks to all concerned for use of amps/processing/cabs/time etc.... it was fun.....

 

I still have the two demo drivers available.... holla if you want to try them!!

 

oh yes it has....   look at the first post on this thread 

 

Well.... last night it was tried in, a small scoop, in fact it was a bit smaller than a mini, perhaps even a micro...! It was played side by side with a PD.1850... and out played it's older brother easily.... very impressive in this type of box...

 

, it has been tested (and developed!) in a (T.R.U.) mini scoop!!

 

Forgot about that!!!

 

Oh yeah! Of course!

 

So just some big chamber minis to be tested then?

 

 

Yep... bring some with you early on Sunday!!!

 

If I could, I'd bring one s/man mini & put it up against one or two of them Cows or Rhino which ever & see what's really going on!

 

I'm still a bit weary of them Steve B full scoops though !!!

 

 

Last time it was wired out of phase eh! this time....

 

What story going to be cooked up now? They dont like PD1850s & only work with fanes ?

 

on a serious note, wasn't to do with the box. we found clipped signal from a faulty unit up the chain, just unlucky. 

im gutted that they died before last tunes....  

anyways as said yesterday lots - this forum is a joke for reggae sound bizness, so i'll see ya laterz 

 

 

It's not a joke Saul, it's actually taken very seriously!

 

What it is mate is that with the reggae bizness, we expect bass boxes to deilver & are always looking or expecting better most of the time.

 

So when something new comes around & it doesn't meet the criteria to the standard, it's quickly discarded.

 

Sometimes all hell breaks loose when some builders are hurt that they've trying to knock certain builders for years & still can't touch even their basic cabs!

 

A real professional would take it on the chin & go back to the drawing board & fix up, but some seem to can't accept it & start creating foolishness, toys go flying & behaving childishly till they have to start with name calling!

 

good point - medium throat and med/small chamber.... 

 

I'm in the process of sorting a demo out... cabs are available.. just gotta try and make my drivers and me available too!! Next few days hopefully...