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Thanks walt for the pics. I know its hard to give advise because it sounds like personal preference. I need to figure my system out and I have been slowly doing that. I was thinking of picking up 2 10004 crest amps to run my subs run the 2 ca12 on the midbass cabs and ca9 and crest vl 650's on my extros. Still unsure of my design. I guess my question is do the punishers keep up with the lab horns or would I be better off doing lab horns with hd 15 as mid bass and a extro on top. But does the extro kind of already go as low as the hd 15. So the extros you can not array because they are square cabinates I would be better off using a diffrent top cab like the MT-22. I guess its two differnt ways of going about it. 3types of cabinates or 2 to make the stacks. Using the extros and punishers would be easier to get around but would it sound as good as doing lab horns hd15 and mt 22. It would be a much bigger system if I do the 3 cabs with the labs but i feel it would sound better???? Or do I just do like 8 punishers and 2 extros for each side. The other would be 4 labhorns 4 hd15 and 2 or 3 mt-22 per side. These are my thoughts as today.

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Originally posted by ceharden ceharden wrote:

I think the first sentence makes the decision.  For a small stack, you're looking at Punishers rather than labs.  Labs are gonna do the business if you need real sub-bass and lots of it but for most small to medium sized applications Punishers are going to be a better bet.

Driver-wise, hopefully Marcia (Nexus3) will have tested the SD12 soon and he can tell you if it works ok.  Another possible option might be the B&C 12TBX100. Not quite the excursion capability of the Ciare but looks to be the right type of driver.


i'm working on a 12'' right now, so hold your horse's
it has more energy than the ciare and is a little warmer (lower)
 
i will be testing it tomorrow with the stiffer cone 


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I have seen pics and specs of Mykey's 12" driver, looks very promising so far. The Ciare however is very good value for money and already has proven itself.
 
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Originally posted by puffah puffah wrote:

Thanks walt for the pics. I know its hard to give advise because it sounds like personal preference. I need to figure my system out and I have been slowly doing that. I was thinking of picking up 2 10004 crest amps to run my subs run the 2 ca12 on the midbass cabs and ca9 and crest vl 650's on my extros. Still unsure of my design. I guess my question is do the punishers keep up with the lab horns or would I be better off doing lab horns with hd 15 as mid bass and a extro on top. But does the extro kind of already go as low as the hd 15. So the extros you can not array because they are square cabinates I would be better off using a diffrent top cab like the MT-22. I guess its two differnt ways of going about it. 3types of cabinates or 2 to make the stacks. Using the extros and punishers would be easier to get around but would it sound as good as doing lab horns hd15 and mt 22. It would be a much bigger system if I do the 3 cabs with the labs but i feel it would sound better???? Or do I just do like 8 punishers and 2 extros for each side. The other would be 4 labhorns 4 hd15 and 2 or 3 mt-22 per side. These are my thoughts as today.



Putting Labs with HD15's and X-Tros above would sort of defet the point of the X-Tro, as it has twin horn loaded 15's that server a similar purpose to the HD, i.e Kick Bass.

Also 8 Punishers with only 2 X-Tros might be a bit sub heavy.
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your right it should be like 3 punishers to every extro from what I have read. But I do like bass. Miami rock'en baby. I was understanding the extro hd15 difference already. That was what I was trying to talk about If it would be better to have the cabinates appart instead of all together. have been wondering about those p audio 12's. I like the lower power rating on them. They will work better on my ca12's. Mykey has not built them yet? So who knows. They look pretty meatie. I guess I need to deside if I'm going big or not. Got a good deal today a crest pro8001 for 600 bucks.Basically the pro verson of the ca12. I love craigslist everything is so much cheaper then e bay.
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your right it should be like 3 punishers to every extro from what I have read. But I do like bass. Miami rock'en baby. I was understanding the extro hd15 difference already. That was what I was trying to talk about If it would be better to have the cabinates appart instead of all together. have been wondering about those p audio 12's. I like the lower power rating on them. They will work better on my ca12's. Bartic has not built them yet? So who knows. They look pretty meatie. I guess I need to deside if I'm going big or not. Got a good deal today a crest pro8001 for 600 bucks.Basically the pro verson of the ca12. I love craigslist everything is so much cheaper then e bay.

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it seems that building of the Sd12 loaded punisher is due to start tomorow if everything works as it should.

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can't wait to hear how it turns out. I'm very interested in that driver. Has anyone looked into using the lab sub in the punisher. Those drivers are pretty big and cheap
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They aren't that cheap in the UK puffah, 27 more expensive each than the Ciare 12SW and only rated for half the power.
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Im a eminance dealer I think I pay 124 dollars for them. Thats pretty cheap. The cheapest I can find the ciare is 250. I not a dealer. I can also buy from a company at cost that stocks p audio, 18 sound, and b&c. So I can build the extros. The drivers for the punishers I'm not locked into yet????
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Perhaps best to wait and see what results Mircea gets with a punisher loaded with an sd12. I believe he is building them at the moment or at least soon.
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Still it might be very difficult for him to tell how the P-Audio SD-12 performs since he does not have any Ciare 12.00SW to compare with.
 
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