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Strange Daze
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i use 2 pole speakons....
Never had one fail, but ive had Nl4s lock inside cabinets, jam up, break, and all sorts...
sh*ttest connector ever designed.
Opus Jody....How may i ask did you test how a crimped NL4 'sounds better' than a soldered one??....(laughs)....opinion or fact??
cheers,
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J Nine Bar
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are you an EP fan? I've never really got on with them, I get all sorts of boxes at work that have EP's and we never have the right cable to test them. Do you not find that they start to come apart after time?
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4DPA
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Yeah I like them, plenty of contact surface area, seem fairly easy to solder. been using them constantly since 1996, I prefer the plastic casing as the metal ones can corrode, one issue is the release tab on the chassis mount can get battered by lazy crew dragging boxes over steps or tailgates. But unlike the nl4's I have never had the cable pull out or refuse to unlock, then the bit I really dislike about speakons is the ritualistic skinning of the knuckles deep in the back of a crowded rack or the wrenching of fingertips trying to untwist or pull back the release in tight recesses. |
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J Nine Bar
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My main experience with EP's has been with old battered cables that all seem to have seen better days, but I had to solder up a new set of EP6 cables for a Floodlight rig that I sold recently and was plesantly surprised with the outcome. When new they are a nice robust connector.
I take it all your Res' boxes have the EP option then?
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4DPA
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xlr from source to desk/controller, 16way lemo's from controller rack to amp racks.
f218's on EP4's one driver per pair of 4x4mm van damme r4's on EP6 6x2.5mm van damme (the pigs tail special) oh and the old three way Tms4's are on EP6 as are the old floods on EP6 as default, random pair of eaw kf300e's on ep4's (a surprisingly sweet sounding box...) failing all of that its banana plugs to socapex, then socapex to soca with tails to EP4 & EP6 moving into the twentieth century rm15's on nl4's, txd115's on nl4's. I gather that for manufacturers nl4's are the cheapest option... nuff said.. Jody... in all your testing what was the verdict on nl8 barrel connectors Edited by 4DPA - 02 June 2008 at 5:42pm |
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lol, that's certainly not going to help matters! |
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Strange Daze
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seen that more than once too.. daft gits :) |
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opus jody
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You may laugh - i don't blame you, but its fact. tests were with 2 opus iso-6's, one opus amp and some reeeealy well recorded cd's. 2 identical cables, one with metal soldered & one with plastic spekon screwed. listened to both boxes, compared, one sounded better. then swaped cables to other boxes, and the other speaker sounded better, so the only difference was the cable/spekon. next, metal spekon soldered and plasic one soldered: result no difference. I hadn't put the outer casing on at this point, but got told to do so, and blimey! big difference! All muddled. that was a real surprise. so plasic spekons with & without cases - no difference. plastic spekons with & without solder - big difference. without was much better. then... hey, what about the solder on the back of the spekon socket in the speaker? replaced with crimp - big difference again, even better. tbh this level of listening is fairly irrelevant with almost all dance music stuff, but it really helped the theatre sound bods who are doing some mental stuff in theatres, and i can hear the difference on my rig. double edged sword though, because sh*t recordings sound reeeealy sh*t. oh, 'better' generally means less confused, and more natural sounding. there you go, you can all laugh at me now , and make jokes about 'hot water bottles for cables' & the like. whatever, only trying to help. Edited by opus jody - 02 June 2008 at 9:01pm |
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4DPA
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and nl8 barrel connectors what did the theatre bods make of those
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The only problem I see with solder vs crimp terminals is that over time the crimps can corrode whereas solder is a gas tight joint. I wonder what the test would sound like in 5 years time?
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opus jody
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didn't test Nl8's. presumably (dangerous to presume, but hey) same rules apply.
@boab - totally true. also metal could fatigue, & fall off! I just did all my bass, which sounded totally fat last weekend, but i'll check it fairly regularly. I'm too scared to do the nl8's on my top boxes. far too many amp channels, sometimes 4, in close proximity. |
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