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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote norty303 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 June 2008 at 1:25pm
I just put the 4mm cable in the hole on the FX.  Goes in fine!  Don't know how you guys manage to have problems with these things  Tongue   
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Originally posted by opus jody opus jody wrote:

didn't test Nl8's. presumably (dangerous to presume, but hey) same rules apply.
@boab - totally true. also metal could fatigue, & fall off!
I just did all my bass, which sounded totally fat last weekend, but i'll check it fairly regularly.
I'm too scared to do the nl8's on my top boxes. far too many amp channels, sometimes 4, in close proximity.


I meant the nl8mm pole barrel connectors for joining two nl8 plugs together


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so for those of you crimping 4mm cables to speakon socket tabs, what kind of crimps are ye using?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote cravings Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 June 2008 at 1:54pm
so these solder onto the cable, and clip onto the tag. in the past when i've used these, i've soldered them onto the tags too just to be sure, if i know i won't be in there trying to swap things round in the forseeable future.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote opus jody Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 June 2008 at 2:59pm
Originally posted by 4DPA 4DPA wrote:


I meant the nl8mm pole barrel connectors for joining two nl8 plugs together




these are bad. i found this out ages ago by putting a load of them in line to 'exadurate' the effect.
they are faaaaar to useful at getting you out of the poo to not have them in your bag though.
I replaced the bell wire with van damme in my 8 pin cons. hmmm tight fit!
we had one new one become disconnected on a customers system, connecting 2 amp channels together  Ouch
in New Zealand of all places!
that was an expensive repair for the sake of a dodgey solder joint.

I repeat that this is ultra fussy and not worth paniking over.

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To the soldering guys.
Are just using regular tin and lead solder or have you tried the once mixed with silver?
Higher meltingpoint and better conductor.
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Dead  ta for the clarification... are you at glasto ?




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yup. Caberet in the pussy parlour   Embarrassed
safe from the mud  LOL
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Mud free.............. pwarp........... See it last year, Le Parlour reminded me of an old pirate ship run aground, listing to starboard, foredeck awash, glasto-slurry oozing from the seams Malcolm splicing his mainbrace..
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cant say i particularly like the new spkns..

just made some cables up using 4mm, 4core, armored 3 phase cable & they barely fitted in there.

also the crimp on connections thing re opus.. i kind of find that a little suspect. heres an experiment to try, make soldered connections on part of a cable, then some crimp connectors inline ..and see how it sounds. then try it with soldering across the crimps.. the only difference which should be observable here is that one will have a weaker link in part of the chain.. ie the crimps. Where there is an observed difference, it will be where the crimps prove detrimental. the presence of the soldered joint in both tests will show that it has no influence in itself ;)
if you find this debatable, open the lid of your amp and look at all the soldered connections feeding that amplified signal out of there. which is unavoidable; thus if you are observing a difference, like the cables described.. its not because theres a soldered connection inline ;)


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If i understand you right, i should compare:
a solid cable,
a crimped(faston) cable connection,
a soldered cable connection and
a crimped connection that has been soldered,

the question being does the solder actually mess up the crimped (therefore plenty of metal-metal contact) con, or does the solder mess it up when it gets in the way of metal - metal contact
 as in a tinned 1st, soldered connection.

probably won't do it for a while, but i'll do that at some point soon.

LOL  actually ive removed all the soldered connections on one of my amps output sections already. I had some work to do on it anyway, so thought why not. It does sound better, but unfortunately i changed a few other things as well, so i don't know if its due to that.
I won't be changing all my amps, unless i'm in there anyway. far bigger fish to fry in other areas.

Silver solder..... now there's an idea!
bollox to it, i'm not rebuilding all my amps now.




maybe just the processing







maybe....





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