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Pasi
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Posted: 03 June 2014 at 3:31pm |
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Just remember that everything is calculated from the Impulse response at the first place ![]() |
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Posted: 03 June 2014 at 3:48pm |
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I just use a recorded test tone sine wave at the crossover point from Logic. Send it out to the Pa and then back in through a mic to a channel set to no output so you don't get feed back. Hit record and measure the difference on the speakers below and above that crossover point. Do the math and set the delay at the PA processor and retry to check your math. Similar to optimizing latency settings in a DAW.
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Posted: 03 June 2014 at 3:51pm |
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I also use that method to check phase alignment, but my processor lacks a good phase adjustment so all I can do is flip polarity if necessary.
Ghetto, but it works for me.
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Posted: 03 June 2014 at 4:43pm |
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Not at all, but it is an install system so is tailored to each venue - as it should be. Too many installs using settings off the website… |
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Posted: 04 June 2014 at 10:32am |
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Would it also work by sending signal at crossover point, moving the speaker until peak Db is reached?
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Posted: 04 June 2014 at 5:24pm |
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I think you could accomplish the goal that way, but it seems difficult compared to just measuring once setting the time delay and then checking it. Also, on my stacks the mid horns would fall off the back of the FLHs because the distance difference is greater than half a meter.
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Posted: 04 June 2014 at 8:10pm |
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Years ago before we had so many little helpers, I used to power up the Sub and the Bass, they were crossed over and overlapped, and then just drag the bass cab back over the sub, which luckily was deeper, and then watch the Spectrum Analyzer screen and stop dragging it back when the bass peaked. Obviously, only had to do this once with a particular setup. It worked.
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Posted: 04 June 2014 at 10:03pm |
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Anyone who says Bob Mcarthy is not absolutely a groundbreaking genius is really misinformed.
Granted he drinks the Meyer Coolaid a little too much. But he was a student of Doug Jones whom was a TEFF pioneer and Heiser student. Luckily the department chair when I attended college also. Impulse alignment without phase alignment can sound fine, but some of us are here to take it to a higher level. Make better gains, and at times, MUST prove to contractors and accousticians that proper phase and time have been attained. |
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Posted: 04 June 2014 at 10:12pm |
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Posted: 04 June 2014 at 10:18pm |
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Personally I use impulse response to get in the right ballpark for time alignment, ie within half a wavelength then I look at the phase slopes to fine tune. Looking at phase alone you could end up being a whole cycle (or more) out and at low frequencies I don't find impulse reponses clear enough.
I'm sure there are various valid methods depending on what measurement equipment you have available. |
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Posted: 05 June 2014 at 1:33pm |
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I never said anything about him being a clever dude or if his techniques are correct ? Just that the techs who I spoke to didn`t really agree with his Meyer orientated lecture or his way of time aligning stuff... Each to their own? If it gets done quickly & efficiently and the clients / punters are happy then you`re doing your job right ! .p.
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