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Come down to Roots Garden at the Concorde on the 21st of July. Gonna have 16 in there then, unfortunately the promoters have decided they want them in 2 stacks at either end of the room, so won't be as heavy. Trying to persuade them to let us do one big wall of them so you get the coupling effect to the max, and less hot/cold spots in the room but doesn't seem to be happening at the moment...
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i heard the v1200 is already in a looney bin, and is spanking as we speak...
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The driver in a regular Scoop becomes unloaded below 30Hz I believe, If a hi-pass filter is not used then the driver could recieve ultra low (<30Hz) signals from the amp, turntables. PRE AMPS etc..

Thus resulting in the driver flapping about a lot, and at high SPL's will probably lead to blown driver.

Just my two cents...

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Tek,

You say you have seen loads of V18-1000's that have blown. My question is where are people getting the recone kits from. Void have supplied less than 20 recone kits in the 3 years the V18-1000 has been in production.

So are people using other recone kits, or just not bothering with getting them reconed?
 
 
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Originally posted by Rog Mogale Rog Mogale wrote:

You say you have seen loads of V18-1000's that have blown. My question is where are people getting the recone kits from. Void have supplied less than 20 recone kits in the 3 years the V18-1000 has been in production.
So are people using other recone kits, or just not bothering with getting them reconed?
Figure of speech Rog, maybe should have wrote a few. I didn't buy any myself as the cost of the reconing kit from PAP plus fitting cost from Wembley Loudspeakers brought it up to a price of working 2nd hand ones.
You're right, they are some out there which haven't been bother to recone them.
 
Getting the the recone kits for the v18-1000 weren't too easy to get, which I know put of a few people buying them in the first place.
 
Even after the testing couple sound guys have already mentioned the availbility of kits.
 
When are these 1200's gonna be available ? Don't want it to be like the 1000's where you put in your order & have to wait months for them to arrive.
 
PAP, hope you don't rush in getting these out in the UK then they turn up in the cheap thin card-board boxes, doubled up in wooden crates like the first of the 1000's we got a few years ago. I won't go into this right now anyway.
 
The P.Audio packaging was much better, PD even better still.
 


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I've been using pd1850 carboard boxes to carry my decks around in for over 2 years and apart from a bit of gaffa tape and some bubble wrap they haven't been touched and are still rock solid! You can stack stuff ontop of them and drop them just like a proper flightcase and they still protect the turnbtables. The most overenegineered cardboard boxes I've ever seen.
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The box for V18-1200 is proper Tek. Its a double box with 2 bits of wood top and bottom and won't let you down. Learn't a lot since shipping out the first drivers nearly 4 years ago.
 
I anticipated that your test would show the V18-1200 to perform as good as whats used now, so ordered the UK to start building lots 1 week ago. Its only worth doing a largish production run and to compleate building and testing of a lot of drivers takes us just over 4 weeks. Some of this time is speant waiting for parts, like the cones, so thats why I hedged my bets and place the cone order a week ago. So the first ones should be ready for delivery in 3 to 4 weeks time.
 
Lots have been made and there should be enough to go around. If it proves popular I will then start another batch so that anyone who wants some V18-1200's for carnival can get as many as they want. 
 
I'm not into letting people down when it comes to something as important as this, so will try and keep the flow going and do an extra big run before carnival so no one will be disapointed.
 
Thank you for the test Tek and Lev, wish I could have been there. I would have brough a Infinite 8 V2 for you to have a play with. In fact I should have sent one up anyways, as there is stock in the UK now.
 
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Brilliant stuff to hear.. 4 years, Is it that long ? Out of the dozen I got from PAP back then, they're still going strong. (Never blown none)

It's not too late Rog to send an Inf8_v2 up, but we don't want to end up with blown drivers.
 
There'll be a part 2 hopefully with more people there, & two of everything (Cabs & drivers) I think in pairs it'll be much better & easier to test. I'll have one these V18-1200's by then...some of my mates too the way I hear them talking already.
 
When you check it, there's not really much left to test, other than to get the TurboMax loaded correctly & give that a proper blast in the A.S.S & shortman's scoop.
 
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Nah, Infinite 8 V2 is one of the kindest amps on any driver. Do a test for yourself.
 
Load up 2 identical cabs with the same drivers and drive 1 cab from the Infinite 8 and the other from any amp that puts out the same or even a little less output. Run both cabs for 30 mins at the same level then stop the music and put your hand on the back of the magent of both drivers. Bet the driver being driven from the Infinite 8 V2 will be a lot colder. And colder runing drivers mean they will play louder due to less power compression and last longer and they are not so stressed. The amp can not be clipped what ever you do, so that will save a driver where an amp that clipps will not. There are also other circuits that monitor the driver and can put the brakes on if the driver is unhappy.
 
Basically its an amp for anyone who does not know or does not care how they run there system. Just put it in a rack and it will do the rest. You can chuck whatever level of input signal you want and it will just sit there and sort ya mess out for ya. You can go get pissed, have a shag or get a small thin man playing a bontempi organ to piss over it and it will just smile back and keep the show running for you. Thats how an amp should be. If you have an amp that you have to set limiters for, or have to monitor closely, then don't but an Infinite 8V2 as you're have nothing to do all night and get bored.
 
 
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Originally posted by Rog Mogale Rog Mogale wrote:

You can go get pissed, have a shag or get a small thin man playing a bontempi organ to piss over it and it will just smile back and keep the show running for you. Thats how an amp should be.


If I do all of those things simultaneously at the end of the month and my new shiny amp goes wrong or my cabs pop can I claim them all under the warranty that comes with the amp?


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uuuummmmmmm.......

In a word, NO.
 
You can clam for laundry expenses if the amp pisses on your leg though.
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doesn't electricity travel up piss? like when you piss up a electro fence?
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