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Dubsub?
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Theres a 'BYPASS' near my house
Its big but not very mighty though.


Edited by mykey - 23 October 2007 at 5:40am
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The problem is that the zero will always shag the phase response wheras steep ultimate rolloffs do not need to do this. Scoops are a non-minimum-phase topology that will always lose against more mathematically sound designs.
 
 
 
As a side note, this is a perfect example of why belief in magic is harmful: as long as you think something is magical, you'll never believe that a mere mortal can capture its essence and maybe improve on it. 
 
[/QUOTE] Are you saying there are no mathematics involved in the DubSub?LOL
 
I look forward to hearing your MIGHTY Dub pass boxClap
 
But i and ROG have already done designs with a band pass box with horn attached, is this what yours is?
 
bandpass is nice but you don't get the SPL needed with out a horn attached
 
And this is about "scoops" my friend noT bandpassWink
 
we all love that scoop sound for dub, its just a matter of getting the sound even better
we can all design bypas......sorry Dub pass box's but your missing the point , the question is "what is the best scoop"
 
Very soon you will find out.
 
AND YES I AGREE WITH ABOVE.
 
if it is still a scoop can we have a rough drawing of the outside of the box
if its not a scoop can you go somewhere else and talk mighty?
 
 
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Originally posted by mykey mykey wrote:

if its not a scoop can you go somewhere else and talk mighty?
 


MIGHTY DUB PASS is not a scoop it is a bandpass. No horn flare required.

When I announce MIGHTY DUB PASS I will announce it in the "Other Plans" forum. But since it is intended to replace scoops, the scoops forum deserves to know about it!!! Know that MIGHTY DUB PASS will have the same external cabinet dimensions as typical SCOOP.

I did not mean to say you didn't use maths to model DUBSUB. Only that all scoops have non-minimum-phase response, which means that the phase will never be quite right, no matter how much time you spend tweaking models.
...because Good is Dumb.
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The phase subject is interesting. I always new in the early days that at some point the direct radiating part of a scoop would be out of phase with the lower horn part. When we finally measured it we found that our own S118 was flat between 40 and 80 hz. which to the uninitiated, means that it was just as loud at 40hz as it was at 80. As we never crossed over higher than this, what happened after was less important. I have to say that even crossed over at 120hhz in 3 way systems, there is no detrimental effect through response.
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TONY A.S.S. when you hear MIGHTY DUB PASS it will inspire you to return to building proper cabinets not those girly thingswith the gold-plated dust caps.
 
MIGHTY DUB PASS will make the world a better place. And have better phase coherance than SCOOPs.
 
...because Good is Dumb.
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Fortunately, the scoop bin or what ever it's called, has never been on the top of our priority list as a bass cab or product. It's only aimed a minority section of the greater music equipment world. I think one of the problems with this end of the market has been that up untill recently, a lot of these cabs were badly built irrespective of design or modification.
When it comes to building proper cabinets, be carefull of bold statements. There's always something out there that's bigger and better.
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Originally posted by TONY.A.S.S. TONY.A.S.S. wrote:

There's always something out there that's bigger and better.
 
The only thing that will be bigger and better than MIGHTY DUB PASS would be a stack of MIGHTY DUB PASS!!!1
...because Good is Dumb.
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Well... this sounds very exciting to me!
 
Also.. people say that bandpass cabs are no good outside.. and at first I had to agree.. however... after Rog really showed me what my X1s could do, I have to retract that statement / thought.
 
Becuase it's sub bass it travels a long way anyway.. just because your outside doesn't make the sound disappear.. it's just that your head is used to hearing things in and around the room vibrate, when there is nothing (outside) you head tricks you... if you listen to the actual response you are getting it's all there!
 
Go JSG!!!
 
Also... many previous posts about scoops have said indoors best.. outdoors use folded horns... what happened to that???


Edited by adambomb - 23 October 2007 at 12:09pm
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Some people want scoops to be perfect, indoors and out. They say in the same breath that (1) they enjoy the characteristic distorted unaligned sound and yet (2) modern scoops are not distorted or unaligned. So what they say they like about scoops, they also say scoops don't do! Confused? You will be if you try and understand the prejudice surrounding the SCOOP.
 
MIGHTY DUB PASS will offer those who enjoy the REGGAE and DUB sound a real alternative. It will exceed the SCOOP in every way. Those who use it will be those who can elevate themselves above the assumptions they impose on the poor, tired, over-streched SCOOP cabinet family.
 
UPDATE: I've pretty much worked out what the internal cab layout will be for MIGHTY DUB PASS. Quite a lot of cirular/cyclindrical parts. I'll model up for port/cavity dimensions this evening. The design will appear in the "Other Plans" forum by tomorrow.
 


Edited by jsg mashed - 23 October 2007 at 12:22pm
...because Good is Dumb.
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Kick ass! Look forward to seeing it!
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Originally posted by jsg mashed jsg mashed wrote:

MIGHTY DUB PASS will offer those who enjoy the REGGAE and DUB sound a real alternative. It will exceed the SCOOP in every way. Those who use it will be those who can elevate themselves above the assumptions they impose on the poor, tired, over-streched SCOOP cabinet family.
Very interested in these Mighty Dub Pass cabs, especially after hearing part of a sound system called ''Jah Marcus'' before they shipped their complete system off to Africa.
They used loads of double bandpass cabs & from what I heard, it'd be good if a single version could come close to what the doubles sounded like. Patience is a virtue they say.
 
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