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Man..

 

You know that such type of posts is not allowed on some other speaker-audio forums... (PSW for example)

.. because every few months someone emerge with some supa-dupa mega turbo killing THEORETICAL design which will beat in all aspects and dishonor all other existing designs and will be potential dangerous for complete human kind because if it is built properly and powered with proper amp may cause sudden earth crust cracking..Dead

 

I fully respect and support your idea (and hope that you will do all as you claimed here)  but it is a bit amiss to use tons of words such "WILL" and "SHALL".. do this or that.. Without real world prototype built. Before that all this is just bunch of wishes and promises (which, we all know do not have, but can stay unrealized)

... Such way complete thread (completed with your post signature) looks like good funny joke.Tongue

 

At the end I really wish that your project success and we all can feel/hear Holy Mighty Dub Pass which will bring us some shine (shake) and hope in eternal quest for perfect Bass Nirvana.

 
uhhh.. all this now becomes a bit religious

 
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I understand your concerns. MIGHTY DUB PASS will be with us soon.
 
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Originally posted by jsg mashed jsg mashed wrote:

MIGHTY DUB PASS will be with us soon.


MIGHTY DUB PASS is with us NOW!!! See the "Other Plans" forum.

Please can we continue MIGHTY DUB PASS discussions in the "Other Plans" forum now since it is not a scoop (it is in fact a scoop beater!!!!)
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Originally posted by jsg mashed jsg mashed wrote:

Originally posted by jsg mashed jsg mashed wrote:

MIGHTY DUB PASS will be with us soon.


MIGHTY DUB PASS is with us NOW!!! See the "Other Plans" forum.

Please can we continue MIGHTY DUB PASS discussions in the "Other Plans" forum now since it is not a scoop (it is in fact a scoop beater!!!!)

can I use it on me eggs?
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Originally posted by jsg mashed jsg mashed wrote:

Originally posted by levyte357 levyte357 wrote:


However you don't see many outside gigs with piles of "just bandpass" cabs.
 
This is due to prejudice, a lack of existing cabinet options, and insufficient knowledge about how to design bandpass cabs.
 
NOW IT IS TIME TO RECTIFY THIS SITUATION!!!
 
I will design you a scoop-killing bandpass subwoofer. I will design this cabinet and supply the designs unto you here, in this forum. I will name my creation the MIGHTY DUB PASS.
 
The MIGHTY DUB PASS will have the exact same outer dimensions as a typical scoop. It will take a single 18 inch driver of a make/model I will specify when I supply the plans here in this forum before you. I will make it possible to convert an existing SCOOP into MIGHTY DUB PASS to ease the passage out of obselecence.
 
The MIGHTY DUB PASS will be designed for use with mid-bass "kick" bins like HD15, F1 218 etc. It will be optimised for the basslines of REGGAE, DUB, DRUM&BASS and DUB STEP. It will work indoors and out, and in small multiples or large.
 
MIGHTY DUB PASS will use more advanced bandpass technology than any speaker whose plans are available at this time. Yet it will be simpler to construct than any SCOOP. MIGHTY DUB PASS will be more sensitive, play lower, have better impulse/phase response and lower distortion than any of: SCOOPS HORNS REFLEX.
 
MIGHTY DUB PASS will shake your beliefs - and all objects near by. MIGHTY DUB PASS will change your perceptions - by blurring your vision and compressing your chest cavity. You will ask "what have I been listening to all along that only now I can hear the bass as it was truly recorded?". Then you will know that MIGHTY DUB PASS is not just the future, but all of time and space.
 



... Amen brother!! ... but seriously, sure many will be eagerly watching this space

Levy, have you read the post in the x1 section about such cabs outside?, HBL asked about just this application, see Phil boutle's post at the end of the thread.

There was also a well good post the other day maybe by ceharden? [general section] about the myth of 'long through' cabs and line array being the only real option from a technical perspective, [from what it said, its more of case of being directional]. Might be of interest to you.

Don't get me wrong, i love the scoop sound, but seems to keep returning to an argument at crossed purposes: physics vs.  perception. // different needs in reproduction.
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Originally posted by pooju pooju wrote:



Levy, have you read the post in the x1 section about such cabs outside?, HBL asked about just this application, see Phil boutle's post at the end of the thread.

There was also a well good post the other day maybe by ceharden? [general section] about the myth of 'long through' cabs and line array being the only real option from a technical perspective, [from what it said, its more of case of being directional]. Might be of interest to you.

Don't get me wrong, i love the scoop sound, but seems to keep returning to an argument at crossed purposes: physics vs.  perception. // different needs in reproduction.


This thread is about which is the best scoop out there. When the DUB PASS is more than an idea on paper, we can clash a stack of DUB PASS and a stack of scoops inside and outside to decide which is the best of the two.

I think we have to decide which combination of attributes indicate the best scoop. I would assume it is Freq response, SPL, Sound quality, Driver Versatility, Cost, Availability.


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And lets not forget the SOUND of a scoop
 
yes i could have made the DubSub play lower but thats not what i set out to do
 
its that 40-50hz horn sound is what you need
 
and also the remember at a dance most poeple gather at the bins. Walking up to scoop at a clash and having them breathe over your hole body is part of the deal? well i know it is for me
 
 
what you gonna do with a box with a port in it?
get on ya hands and knees one at a time and let let the port dry your sweat?
 
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Thank you mykey!
Kind of the point I was trying to make, you just sed it better.
 
Still waiting for plans/clash. (and the Uk's first Dubsub test)
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Originally posted by mykey mykey wrote:

and also the remember at a dance most poeple gather at the bins. Walking up to scoop at a clash and having them breathe over your hole body is part of the deal? well i know it is for me
 


This is very important.  I heard a supa  the other day (Well Myself and Insomnia modded it to work with V18-1200 LOL), and even though the building was rattling, all the sub action was really happening outside the unit.

So some scoops are best for Outside, and some inside.  Confused
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What this really needs is a sub shoot out.. ala wayne parham and the prosoundweb gang over in the states... your all welcome to my garden next summer for a proper test!
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Originally posted by levyte357 levyte357 wrote:

Originally posted by mykey mykey wrote:

and also the remember at a dance most poeple gather at the bins. Walking up to scoop at a clash and having them breathe over your hole body is part of the deal? well i know it is for me
 


This is very important.  I heard a supa  the other day (Well Myself and Insomnia modded it to work with V18-1200 LOL), and even though the building was rattling, all the sub action was really happening outside the unit.

So some scoops are best for Outside, and some inside.  Confused
was it standing up?
I had the same thing happen, I layed it on its side , that done the trick
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Originally posted by mykey mykey wrote:

Walking up to scoop at a clash and having them breathe over your hole body is part of the deal? well i know it is for me
 
The output port if MIGHTY DUB PASS, at 13 inches diameter, will excurse over 11 inches peak to peak.
 
My current sub has a 11 inch output port that excurses 8 inches and it's quite freaky what it does to the air when you generate that much bass at one position. And that output doesn't include any of that you-blow-I-suck cancellation or any puffy, unsucessful attemts to play below f3. Just bass pressure in its purest, unstrained, undistorted form.
 
Anyway, I'm going to abandon this thread now so that it can return to a SCOOPS discussion. Please join us in the MIGHTY DUB PASS thread in the "Other Plans" forum.
 
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