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Freddy Hopper 
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 Posted: 15 November 2007 at 11:01pm |
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adambomb
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Posted: 15 November 2007 at 11:02pm |
 (I didnt know it could stand for anything else.. am I missing out?)
If it's any help I have read on here it's best to cross them very low.. 60hz.. lower even.. this is from memory... you might find the posts with the search button.
Stu.. was that what I said but a wordier version? seamed so to me. Edited by adambomb - 15 November 2007 at 11:12pm |
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Heathrow_B_line
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Posted: 15 November 2007 at 11:11pm |
how are they different? we arent playing music for computers to enjoy!!! or enjoy processing and giving a nice plot. thats just for the benefit of us speaker gimps. pll just want to be hit by bass and scoop do this... most other cabs would run out of steam trying to compete with 2/3 scoops
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Freddy Hopper
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Posted: 15 November 2007 at 11:24pm |
So when you have bass plus Sub bass what happens.
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adambomb
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Posted: 15 November 2007 at 11:27pm |
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ok... another example.. Jah Tubbys V ninebar stack at nottinghill.
I have stood infront of both... jah tubbys @ about 0.5m - 1m.. Labs @ about 1.5m - 2m (at the barrier).
Jah tubbys had 4 scoops in each stack, ninebar stack was 12 labs.
Standing infront of jah tubbys moves your guts, blurs your vision and stirs your belly BUT the sound is no longer an acurate representation of the original recording (some of this will be down to EQ, others du to the design of the box)... BUT this distortion / coloration of the sound just so happens to suit the music.
Standing infront of the labs, ok slightly greater distance, but 3 times as many cabs... still stupidly loud (of course) but not giving the same full body massage the jah tubbys stack does... however the sound is very smooth / clear effortless and honest and the percieved volume level is almost the same 20m back... infact I could still feel the ninebar stack at the other end of a very long road.. and it was still over powering the rigs / floats I was close to...
Jah tubbys on the other hand... step 10 - 15m out and it's not all that anymore.
I do agree about the computer comment tho... we make speakers to listen to music on.. not to measure... that's why I think scoops are fantastic for the right music / scene.
A. Edited by adambomb - 15 November 2007 at 11:33pm |
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TONY.A.S.S.
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Posted: 15 November 2007 at 11:29pm |
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When I was out with our systems back in the days of rave, we earnt a fortune. We were successfull because we gave the promotors what they wanted. A brutally clear hard hitting sound that would pin you against the back wall. Everthing was horn loaded, not a scoop bin insight. I'm also reminded that when Bob Marley toured, he played through a coventional Rock and Roll system. Makes you think, doesn't it.
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Freddy Hopper
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Posted: 15 November 2007 at 11:29pm |
Isn't 60hz and bellow Sub Bass.
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Posted: 15 November 2007 at 11:32pm |
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yup... that's what they do best!
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Freddy Hopper
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Posted: 15 November 2007 at 11:38pm |
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At Birmingham Carnival this year. New Sensation sound carried out 8 S118 scoop bins in two stacks of 4. Luv Injection Carried out 24 recently made scoops, 12 aside. Klark Teknik, with these purple F something amps plus Crest to the teeth. You could stand by Luv injection and still hear the Sub of New sensation. So yes I know its all about shaping the sound. So is there a recomended formula. Or do I have to live and learn.
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Posted: 15 November 2007 at 11:47pm |
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gotta play with your tunes.. find the ones that make the system sing... tweak your crossover settings and eq.. I think the only way you will find out is to experiment... and not be scared to blow a driver or 2 in the learning process. |
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Posted: 15 November 2007 at 11:49pm |
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Disco Stu
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Posted: 15 November 2007 at 11:51pm |
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You know what if people just want to be hit by bass then why are you not number 1 with your sub 30Hz test track? Granted you are correct somewhat which is why the music industry is in a mess and doesnt know what to put out, because people are slowly becoming mindless automatons who no longer listen to music they just listen to the alcohol or drugs they happen to be off their ticks on at the time. Fortunately its only the UK that seems to be in the grip of devolution. From my perspective its all about the amount of SPL that can be achieved from a box of a certain size. If I turn up with 3 scoops or 3 HD15s and a couple of labs (basically a similar size), which one am I going to get an overally better sound from in your opinion?
Well I tell you what I think will happen, id set up the scoops and try and play hard dance, then id think, gee these things sound really slow and heavy and arent really digging it for me. Then id set up the HDs and try and play some dub and think, these cabs dont have any soul. Then id set up the labs corner loaded underneath them and play some D&B and think, my god this is heaven.
Bottom line is if I want to play a variety of musical styles through the rig, I have a lot more scope if I choose the 2 way bass option, I can adjust the levels of kick and sub independently for the style of music, I get uninterupted sub bass from the labs and a hard kick from the HDs that can always be tamed on the LMS and made to sound the way I want it.
If I just have scoops I dont have those benefits. If you only play one type of music you dont need those benefits and the decision is made. The majority of my work (98%) comes from live bands so I need a cab that will do live bands well - the majority of it is above 40Hz, I have space limitations. I make my compromise choice based on those criteria.
Stu
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