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actaully Stu.. i think you will find that alot of scoops are now run as part of a 4 way setup... many now have HDs above... they are used purely as subs with upper bass cabs in most cases.
 
But I do see what your saying.. anything faster on a scoop used in a 3 way config sounds very woolie and slow.


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Originally posted by adambomb adambomb wrote:

actaully Stu.. i think you will find that alot of scoops are now run as part of a 4 way setup...
 
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Scoops are application specific. They work for reggae, DnB and from the little I've heard, pretty well with dubstep.

Technically the are flawed, and there are many many cabs out there that have prettier looking responses. However, I've only heard 1 or 2 that can almost knock you off your feet the way scoops can.

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Originally posted by mykey (talking about scoops) mykey (talking about scoops) wrote:


try a big bump "63" on your eq then slope off gradually either side watch your window's though


Make sure you turn something else in the signal chain down if you're doing this, unless your LMS has amazing headroom.

Signal generators are good. Sweeps around your bass section will help pick out any nasty humps.

Personally, when EQing I like to cut from the graphic and turn something else up. Whatever works.
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Originally posted by Disco Stu Disco Stu wrote:


From my perspective its all about the amount of SPL that can be achieved from a box of a certain size. If I turn up with 3 scoops or 3 HD15s and a couple of labs (basically a similar size), which one am I going to get an overally better sound from in your opinion?


Unfortunately, there is no 1x18 cab around, that provides the sensitivity of a scoop, and the accuracy of a folded horn. I tried desiging a worthwhile 2x18 WSX with scoop like SPL in 1x cab, but 90% of people on here advised against it.

If I had things my way, I would love to do all my gigs inside and out with 2x stacks of 6 WSX; I love this cab.

Unfortunately, I have witnessed many times what 2x stacks of 3 scoops can do, even in huge halls. So if I turn up with 12 folded horns to most large gigs, customers  are gonna ask me why so many cabs, even worse, see 12 cabs, and expect 12 scoops worth of SPL.. Then come over to me at the end of the gig, and say how some crew came in with 1/2 the cabs, and sounded much heavier.  They won't be impressed at how clean and accurately the music was reproduced.

So the options for me will be: medium to large venues is 4x scoops or 8 folded horns, large/outside venues either 8x scoops, or 12 folded horns.

However, I'm sure "n" folded horns @ 1k each will be fine for any corporate gig. As they are often full of people who listen to hi end hifi outside work hours.




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Because there are some bad scoops out there and bad users of scoops

you have to hear a good scoop in good hands, that'll make you smile

Chris I rokas, you did sell some of your scoops if i remember? wasn't dansound selling them for you?

so you hung on to a fewWink
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Mykey, I got a bit disillusioned a few years back and put everything up for sale, but fortunately no one bought them. They are all safely in storage waiting for my next session.
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Now I listen to reggae and play it when setting up, but most of the people I am hiring to now play a mix Rnb, Hip Hop, Bashment, garage and Drum and Bass.   So what I really need to do is load up my folded 15s and work it four way.   cutting the scoops at say 75Hz with a nice hump around 63Hz.   playing the folded 15s from 75Hz up to say 180Hz.  Or would the folded 15s be overlapped as they can run down as low as 40Hz or would this not be advisable.
 
Remember the next time I will be able to experiment will probably be half hour before the gig starts.
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Originally posted by Freddy Hopper Freddy Hopper wrote:

At Birmingham Carnival this year.  New Sensation sound carried out 8 S118 scoop bins in two stacks of 4.
 
So that's what they were using  
 
Originally posted by Freddy Hopper Freddy Hopper wrote:

You could stand by Luv injection and still hear the Sub of New sensation. 
They were definately heavy all over the park. Sounded clear as day from in front the stage whilst the performances were on.
 
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Originally posted by Tekasis Tekasis wrote:

So that's what they were using  
 
Originally posted by Freddy Hopper Freddy Hopper wrote:

You could stand by Luv injection and still hear the Sub of New sensation. 
They were definately heavy all over the park. Sounded clear as day from in front the stage whilst the performances were on.
 


Live performances were playing thru scoops? What was overall sub/bass like?
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New Sensation were running 8 of the ASS S118s off 2 Crown VZ5002s  they had a mix of links, behringer JTS stuff, all thrown together.  There mid and tops kept cutting out though.

Where as luv injection were probably clearer on mid and tops than, the Line array they were using by the main stage.  Just didn't like the way they had processed there Sub-bass.  They keep it clean but not deep and low.
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Originally posted by Freddy Hopper Freddy Hopper wrote:

New Sensation were running 8 of the ASS S118s off 2 Crown VZ5002s  they had a mix of links, behringer JTS stuff, all thrown together.  There mid and tops kept cutting out though.

Where as luv injection were probably clearer on mid and tops than, the Line array they were using by the main stage.  Just didn't like the way they had processed there Sub-bass.  They keep it clean but not deep and low.


Thought someone said recently, Luv Injection had switched to FFA amps?
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Originally posted by levyte357 levyte357 wrote:

Live performances were playing thru scoops?
 
Nope! they was a main stage there a good distance from the marquee which house New Sensation system
 
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