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Originally posted by TONY.A.S.S. TONY.A.S.S. wrote:

Andy, has your computor ever crashed, I always have that fear. Only ever been used to the normal hardware.
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Well No it hasnt ! Then why would it?
Me i only know what i have [not very much]..But untill now cannot see any cons between a computer and a pre... In theory i could use any comp so if mine broke i could use the one in the office of the hall i was playing at! But you couldnt if it was a pre!Or  i could run out from the mixer [also a pre] Ok how would i get my music out of the comp well mine on an external HD of which i carry 2...........
But then had no problems with power or lack of it ,like them talk about on here recently which will kill ur sound or quality ..But i see what your saying!

comp and external all the music you have in them, did u pay to download ,rec from your own cds, or are you one them killers , remember your  the recordshop bro them have to eat too 45 run the dance .no dibidibi OuchAngry
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Behringer valve pre-amp is JUST a budget parametric EQ really,nothing alse.
Also the valves are not a high quality type and are a warmth effect, as the rest of the circuity is transistor based, not all valve based.

A proper all valve based preamp are expensive like £500 or more.

JTS 4 way pre-amp has a high quality parametric EQ on bass and mid, high quality 10 band graphic EQ, high quality fixed 4 way active crossover, low,low mid,mid and hf kill switches, deck inputs with crossfade.
And a few other things.

If you just play reggae and dub, your much better off with the JTS or full mostec preamp.
Or mostec mini-pre if your strapped for cash.

And if buying the Behringer was down to lack of money, then the mostec mini-pre for £350 is really affordable compaired to £595 for the JTS 3 way and £795 for 4 way JTS.

Although the mostec mini-pre only has a bass parametric, 7 band EQ, 3 way active crossover, 3 way kill switches, deck and line input, mic input.
And has to be used with an existing mixer.









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Originally posted by ToNy MoNtAnA ToNy MoNtAnA wrote:

Behringer valve pre-amp is JUST a budget parametric EQ really,nothing alse.
Also the valves are not a high quality type and are a warmth effect, as the rest of the circuity is transistor based, not all valve based.

A proper all valve based preamp are expensive like £500 or more.

JTS 4 way pre-amp has a high quality parametric EQ on bass and mid, high quality 10 band graphic EQ, high quality fixed 4 way active crossover, low,low mid,mid and hf kill switches, deck inputs with crossfade.
And a few other things.

If you just play reggae and dub, your much better off with the JTS or full mostec preamp.
Or mostec mini-pre if your strapped for cash.

And if buying the Behringer was down to lack of money, then the mostec mini-pre for £350 is really affordable compaired to £595 for the JTS 3 way and £795 for 4 way JTS.

Although the mostec mini-pre only has a bass parametric, 7 band EQ, 3 way active crossover, 3 way kill switches, deck and line input, mic input.
And has to be used with an existing mixer.
Well not just a money thing just part of the equation!
I certainly dont think youd be better of with a PRE...I mean if one was starting out from scratch with no equipment at all it may be cheaper to start with a PRE as its all in one.However all in one has its downfalls BIG TIME ...
 
HOLD on who does that[put away what they have]?Most will all have a bit of this and that so in NO WAY cheaper...Also wouldnt be very concious to sudenly put away all what you have, just to have that PRE to be able to call ones self a REAL REGGAE SOUND!!!!!!!! The PRE doesnt make the sound better AT ALL in many ways worse!!!What can you do with a PRE that you cannot do with a collection of equipment????
 
All this HYPE is about gaining a SALE fe REAL........ Make me think of JESUS and kicking them all out of the church!!
 
If these PREs are that HIGH quality the price is  quite cheap mind you i have my doubts there as well!!!!!!!!!!!! Yes quality or a far cry from CRAP  ,i dont doubt and you can often meet the makers so should get service BIG UP THERE..... But keep it REAL how different are the components compaired to lets say a BERRY? They must be getting there transistors quit cheap BULK BUYING and that........
All the MAKE name mentioned earlier how much do you pay for the NAME and HYPE??????
 
A RASTA sound that promote this HYPE in my oppinion is no beter than the SYSTEM they call so bad..I mean its just a different system with a different AGENDA but the intention remains the SAME..........................Granted you have another group of people holding the rains of power both SYSTEMS are not JAH!!
 
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comp and external all the music you have in them, did u pay to download ,rec from your own cds, or are you one them killers , remember your  the recordshop bro them have to eat too 45 run the dance .no dibidibi OuchAngry
 
Basically WHAT THE SUCK has that got to do with YOU? BEt your hollier than HOLLY.
However to answer you question YES ALL OF THEM ...............I have thousands of records YES i recorded some! YEs i have payed to download! YES MY own cds!AND YES I DOWN LOAD FOR FREE.................SO WHAT? TEll me about it I have owned a reggae record shop come culture/merchandise/coffie shop .
 
The reason i called my sound what i did is BECAUSE OF PEOPLE NOT UNLIKE YOURSELF!!!! you are the point i was trying to make so BIG UP AND THANX FE THAT!
 
 
What about suporting a sound ? I mean its all one way unless you have a wooly hat and buy your herb from the right grower!Perhaps CLONING ones views on the cleches and stigmas that are around would HELP .....
 
NA me i do what i have to do in the best way i can answer TO NO MAN only the MOST HIGH........................ SO COME DOWN OF YOUR HIGH HORSE AND CHECK YOURSELF......................
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wassup, you seen to like to take these discussions where they doubt need to go (well at least not in this thread) - woolly hats and rasta and weed and helping a next sound........
 
You've seen at least one open invite on this forum to sounds to come and play in walsall
Did you follow it through? (all I saw on the forum from you was a largely less than positive response)
 
It's IC's you'll find in JTS and my preamps not transistors. I use one transistor and that's for the output muting circuit. Some of circuits are quite close to what you find in name brand 'pro' equipment - e.g phono stage
 
You understand electronics don't you ?
Go to the rane website and check out some of the circuit diagrams that they are kind enough to put in the public domain and tell me what's  so special and check the IC's they use - nothing exoctic or too expensive, check out some mackie, neeve or whoever
Same sort of thing so what is it that's "close to crap" in a preamp
 
If you want to back up your statements with technical talk then I'm here. If you want to drag more politics into the discussion then I'll go and read something else on the forum
 
you seem to have a thing about preamps - maybe too many people been telling that you HAVE to have one and you 'rebeled' - good for you
 
Buying components in bulk just starts to make sense when you have a certain amount of things to build. If I can get the SAME component cheaper if I buy 100+ or 500+ and I know they get used up then why buy 50 and pay more per part
 
Computers aren't perfect and there is more to go wrong in a computer than in a analog piece of equipment. If you knew all the sh*t involved to just get the OS to boot (maybe you do) never mind running an application then you might think twice about playing aout with one
 
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Basically WHAT THE SUCK has that got to do with YOU? BEt your hollier than HOLLY.
However to answer you question YES ALL OF THEM ...............I have thousands of records YES i recorded some! YEs i have payed to download! YES MY own cds!AND YES I DOWN LOAD FOR FREE.................SO WHAT? TEll me about it I have owned a reggae record shop come culture/merchandise/coffie shop .
 
The reason i called my sound what i did is BECAUSE OF PEOPLE NOT UNLIKE YOURSELF!!!! you are the point i was trying to make so BIG UP AND THANX FE THAT!
 What about suporting a sound ? I mean its all one way unless you have a wooly hat and buy your herb from the right grower!Perhaps CLONING ones views on the cleches and stigmas that are around would HELP .....
 NA me i do what i have to do in the best way i can answer TO NO MAN only the MOST HIGH........................ SO COME DOWN OF YOUR HIGH HORSE AND CHECK YOURSELF..


Give thanks Mskeete. the thing is almost every where I read people talk negative about someone doing something positive , and I say this cause I don´t just play I promote and produce so it hurts when people just download music for free an play from their comp it´s not right. And I never said I was perfect I only try to do what I feel is right for all.
I don´t have time to make everything so I work and buy if i play a cd its´ cause you can´t find it on lp or 45´s or our owe production. about cloning I´ve been growin am owe since I came to europe 90% of what I smoke is home grown.
No hard feelings Rasta don´t steal ,Rasta don´t beg. ask you´l get advise how wrong can you go. Sorry everybody I know this is not the place for this , but I don´t like negative vibesShocked


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Basically it's all down to how the sound is run. Although there is still such a thing as crap gear if it won't do the job, doesnt last or does the job poorly.
And also if you try and get something thats not made to do the task at hand, it's gonna suck at it.
Although theres nothing wrong with using something different as a personal preference to be unique.But as long as the crowd get impressed.

You could have a FK1 system but it would sound crap due to the sh*t operator. An example of that is the Valve Sound System. Decent system but idiots running it.

A pre-amp in the reggae scene can make a reggae sound, better, if you know how to operate it correctly to fit in with the tunes played,etc.
But it's not essential, as Jah Voice don't have one, but sound heavyweight and play decent tunes so the crowd loves them.


But if you want to be a traditional reggae sound system with sirens and fx etc, you need a pre-amp like JTS or mostec.







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Yes Tony M I hear you thats always been the way I sees it 19years we´ve played on normal speakers and just a normal mixer and the dance nice ,always have a crowd of people. we just want to upgrade now so we got a JTS preamp , haven´t used it yet we plan on running a 4 way system I let you know how it goes. biggup 
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Originally posted by ToNy MoNtAnA ToNy MoNtAnA wrote:

Basically it's all down to how the sound is run. Although there is still such a thing as crap gear if it won't do the job, doesnt last or does the job poorly.
And also if you try and get something thats not made to do the task at hand, it's gonna suck at it.
Although theres nothing wrong with using something different as a personal preference to be unique.But as long as the crowd get impressed.
 
WHAT ABOUT THINGS AND TIMES?Determining why where and what!

You could have a FK1 system but it would sound crap due to the sh*t operator. An example of that is the Valve Sound System. Decent system but idiots running it.
 
THATS exactly what i am saying!

A pre-amp in the reggae scene can make a reggae sound, better, if you know how to operate it correctly to fit in with the tunes played,etc.
But it's not essential, as Jah Voice don't have one, but sound heavyweight and play decent tunes so the crowd loves them.
 
Exactly it! But many are under pressure to be and or to have.Wether that be done intentional or just the way we PEOPLE are keeping up with the JONSES and all that i dont know .But again thats exactly why i say what i say..Not for or against but all this reggae must be like this or that NO CHANCE!
You know that advertizing machine that seems to be behind everything! BABYLONIAN or the SO CALLED CONCIOUS ONES......Same thing just a different mask!


But if you want to be a traditional reggae sound system with sirens and fx etc, you need a pre-amp like JTS or mostec.
 
So did reggae sounds start with a pre? Or has that developed over the begin years? If so then in the true scence of the word TRADITIONAL then it would be what came before together with the development OFF..In my oppinion!
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Originally posted by ToNy MoNtAnA ToNy MoNtAnA wrote:

 

And if buying the Behringer was down to lack of money, then the mostec mini-pre for £350 is really affordable compaired to £595 for the JTS 3 way and £795 for 4 way JTS.


 
Its not about lack of money im just not really interested in getting a JTS or a MOSTECH, i dont feel i have the need for one, personally i think my controls on my mixer, graphic equaliser and crosover are plenty useful.
 
The only reason i got this berry job was coz it looked cheap for what it is and i wanted to experiment with the advantages/disadvantages of a parametric,
 
I think all stuff from berry is crap/cheap for a reason (budget/starter) I tried one of theyre amp once with my subs n they sounded sh*t, floppy and uncontrolled i actually thought my subs were rubbish !! good thing i didnt damage them.
 
I tested a mates mostech 4 way not to long ago and IMO it wasnt nuthing speacial, but thats my honest opinion!
 
The point of this post was exactly as stated on page 1, it wasnt to degrade anybody or prove whos betta but simply to find out what people thought and get some feedback/advice
 
Yet again thanks for your input Tony Smile
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Originally posted by FAO FAO wrote:


 
give thanks Mskeete. the thing is almost every where I read people talk negative about someone doing something positive , and I say this cause I don´t just play I promote and produce so it hurts when people just download music for free an play from their comp it´s not right.
 
Who YOU to say what is or isnt right?Please define NAGATIVE? As that is a matter of perspective ..Truthfully said one doesnt go without the other.They flow into and out of each other ..Why/How do you think new,better or improved things EVOLVE or happen?
 
 
 
 And I never said I was perfect I only try to do what I feel is right for all.
 
Well truthfully what you just said[above] and now its not for everyone but because you promote ,play and what ever....BASICALLY keeping it real Its YOU YOU AND YOU! Hey but no worries i dont feel what you feel I SEE IT DIFFERENT however am like you doing what i have to do......Thing is you PRESUMED very cleche dogmatic BABYLONIAN thought patern .What i do or dont do and you are wrong!!

I don´t have time to make everything so I work and buy if i play a cd its´ cause you can´t find it on lp or 45´s or our owe production.
 
So if someone cannot work or get buy because of what ever personal reason he may not play music? Or only that what he has payed for? By playing it bringing it to peoples ears isnt he giving suport? What if all he earns ,if infact he does earn anything goes back to where it came from? Not my situation however could be someone elses or part of some one!
 
 
about cloning I´ve been growin am owe since I came to europe 90% of what I smoke is home grown.
 
I think i was refering to taking on the apperance thought patern or what ever of PEOPLE when i used the word cloning!
Mind you the cloning you speek of is very interesting ! I to have in the past had a room with mothers and children lol lol....Mind you NOT ALLOWED TO SPEAK OF THAT ON THIS FORUM!
Hey but can we clone from a RASTA perspective? not that you have said you are!

No hard feelings Rasta don´t steal ,Rasta don´t beg. ask you´l get advise how wrong can you go.
 
So basically your listing LIMITATIONS cleche wise! Reality show me something else!
 
 
Sorry everybody I know this is not the place for this , but I don´t like negative vibesShocked
 
Well perhaps YOUR VIBE IS WHY I REACT IN THE WAY I DO !!! INITIAL REMARK TO ME IS ANYTHING BUT POSOTIVE...HEY I AM SURE YOU MENT IT LOVING AND TENDER.DIDNT MEAN TO BE SO BLOODY PRESUMTIOUS....But like you didnt say you was perfect TRUE TRUE still would advise to CHECK YOURSELF BEFORE pointing ones finger...All said in the nicest possable way!!
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Well I guess it started from Jah Shaka. Who is the legendary, the best ever selector for roots and dub. And he uses a pre-amp. And everyone wanted to be as good as selector like him, but no one yet can.
But then again he uses KT88 valves and a Garad turntable, so why doesn't most sounds use that too... I guess cos they don't want to try copy Shaka entirely. And be more unique.

I'm not entirely sure before Shaka who started in the early 70's. If anyone alse used a pre amp before that time. Studio One might have. I was born in the early 80's.

Maybe someone born in the 60's whos into reggae could say.
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