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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Shortrope Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 October 2013 at 7:51am
Originally posted by discosucks discosucks wrote:

I'm down in sligo bro! 

I actually wrote to you a while ago on your facebook page :) 

Where do you hail from? 

Yeah man...I remember.
I'm all the way down in West Cork!
If I'm up your way I'll give you a shout, I never been to Sligo.
I'd really like to hear those H3s, that's the kind of Mid top Cab I'd like to build eventually.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote discosucks Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 October 2013 at 1:53pm
@ cravings . Yea i was looking at the w3s , same kind of phase ball on the 6" that the h3' has on the 10" . Thumbs Up  . 

I was looking to build something like them too shortrope , but my lack of knowledge using modelling software has held me back when haha , but there is some designs available for 3 way boxes like them ( folded kick section , horn mid/hi ) . 


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Originally posted by discosucks discosucks wrote:


I was looking to build something like them too shortrope , but my lack of knowledge using modelling software has held me back when haha , but there is some designs available for 3 way boxes like them ( folded kick section , horn mid/hi ) . 



I'm trying to find a design I can adapt...
I'd really like to make up a one piece twin horn baffle with phase plugs in GRP.
I've got this fancy image in my head of lovely dark wood Veneer cabs with neat coloured horn/baffle and phase plug.
I'm fairly sure I've got the ability to build it but I don't know enough about how to design the horns yet.
It's a bit frustrating!!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote discosucks Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 October 2013 at 2:47pm
thats my problem too! But it is a very big part of it LOL

I have a guy that does cnc work for me , and will more than likely be getting a cnc machine of
my own soon ( my dad is a luthier and wants to start making more solid bodies ) . 

I know the UK has many box designers but i wonder is there anyone around Ireland working on it at the moment? 
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Originally posted by MarjanM MarjanM wrote:

Which does not prove anything really. A/B them and then say what you will hear.


I have, several times, and owned Xtros for a while. Have you?

It sounds, well, boxy for want of a better word. Certainly nowhere near as smooth or warm as the H3 and they take a lot more juice to boot. H3 with matching reflex subs is one of my favourite compact rigs and I've heard just two stacks a side easily cover a huge hall (at least 25m squared) for very demanding, aggressive music with ease.

I've also listened to Xtros built, tuned and loaded by people who I trust and they always lacked something - maybe not kick or punch, but I just didn't enjoy the sound at all. I believe they were also used at the amp shootout some years ago and Rog and a few other members agreed with me.

Not to mention that second hand H3 will be cheaper than a new Xtro, and carry a reputable brand on the front of the grille which means cross hiring and selling could well be a lot easier. Plus at a push, the H3 works as a proper full range box (FOH or drum fill?) with a surprising amount of depth, which can't be said of the Xtro.

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It all depend what your need is. Xtros are designed to complement the punishers. So they dont go low. Hence their not so warm tone.
I have nothing against the H3. But if you need more kick, then xtro is a better box. 
The mid and high of both boxes are very similar, so b&c loaded xtro should sound very comparable in 300Hz and up part of the sound with the H3.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote cravings Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 October 2013 at 9:48pm
you think the wooden horn of an xtro could be comparable to the martin mid horn? i haven't heard either... but am surprised to hear someone say that.
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we made several versions of the Xtro with different drivers and midrange solutions

the best results we had were with using a dual 8" midhorn and a 2" exit horn coupled to 4x 1" drivers firing into a manifold. 

It looked like this:


The midrange horn in the original xtro is not very good.  But keep in mind that it was a design mainly aimed at the techno scene.


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Originally posted by MarjanM MarjanM wrote:

It all depend what your need is. Xtros are designed to complement the punishers. So they dont go low. Hence their not so warm tone.
I have nothing against the H3. But if you need more kick, then xtro is a better box. 
The mid and high of both boxes are very similar, so b&c loaded xtro should sound very comparable in 300Hz and up part of the sound with the H3.


Maybe it should, but it doesn't, sadly.
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Forget the wooden horn. Mykeys horn is the one you want to use in the xtro.
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Originally posted by MarjanM MarjanM wrote:

Forget the wooden horn. Mykeys horn is the one you want to use in the xtro.


All of the ones I've used and listened to have these.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote godge Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 October 2013 at 4:13am
I agree with toasty that the xtro had a boxy sound to it from the kicks. The 8" part wasn't the problem though with the fibre glass horn. It was more lacking in top end from the 1" I always found and could of done with something more powerful. I had the 1" running of a xt800
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