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Originally posted by Twinkle Twinkle wrote:

I would really like to try the Mykey Wattco scoop for our prototypes. It seems that Facebook took down Mykey's drawings from their website.



"Mykey Scaled up Fane Scoop"

https://forum.speakerplans.com/fane-scaled-up_topic74640.html



Originally posted by Twinkle Twinkle wrote:

KidCreole posted some dimensions of the Wattco scoop in his Hornresp model. I looked at the Scaled Fane Mykey posted with his baffle modification and at Staiper's MS-18 Mk2. It seems they have similar chamber and throat dimensions as the Wattco Scoop. Except for the MS-18 being a mini scoop.

Would you say the V18-1000 will play deep and warm in these two cabs?

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I am saving you years of trial and error, and unnecessary sims here...

The V18-1000 will play well, and loud, in most Decent Scoop designs.

The above "Mykey" Scaled up Fane design, is pretty much as good as it gets, for free 18" Designs.

In this Design,
V18-1000 will be the most sensitive,
PD1850 will play warmer, deeper than V18-1000,
PD1852 will play the lowest, take enough power, to outplay the above 2x.

Forget all about the Fanes/RCFs, they will not come close, to the PD1852, in the above cab.


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Hello Levyte,

this is extremely helpful. Thanks a lot!

I can't wait to try the PD1852 in Mykey's modified Fane scoops. I'm going to try to convince my friends.

This is very exciting. We will soon build our first scoops. Wish us luck.

Best wishes
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Just to note "kid kreole" and mykey are the same person.
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I have to say with the current energy prices the title of this thread really did get my hopes up...... even simulating warmth would be awesome atm
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Originally posted by Mark James Mark James wrote:

I have to say with the current energy prices the title of this thread really did get my hopes up...... even simulating warmth would be awesome atm
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Sorry mate, have'nt you heard !?

"Warmth is distortion" ...


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With the cold we are having I'm longing for some nice warm bass.

Originally posted by cravings cravings wrote:

Just to note "kid kreole" and mykey are the same person.

Ah, I wasn't sure about that. From what I read he does some amazing designs.
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Thank you very much to everybody who has contributed to this thread. You are extremely helpful people.

We would like to build a prototype first and four speakers for playing outdoors afterwards. I guess one speaker will have a completely different frequency response than a stack of four.

We are totally new to this. When we put one speaker into a corner - will it sound similar to four speakers out in the open?

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Originally posted by Twinkle Twinkle wrote:


We are totally new to this. When we put one speaker into a corner - will it sound similar to four speakers out in the open?

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Hi,

Will sound nothing like 4x.

Firstly, most important question, which amps and drivers are you going for !?
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Personally, I've never liked a single scoop, even a pair isn't that great

3 is where they start to "come alive"

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Originally posted by levyte357 levyte357 wrote:

Firstly, most important question, which amps and drivers are you going for !?
We will use our Proline 3000. I will meet my mates on Wednesday and propose the Scaled Fane design with the PD1852 to them. Thank you very much for your recommendation. I hope they will say yes.

Originally posted by levyte357 levyte357 wrote:

Will sound nothing like 4x.

Originally posted by Sinai Sound Sinai Sound wrote:

Personally, I've never liked a single scoop, even a pair isn't that great

3 is where they start to "come alive"

So we can't guess how four speakers will sound like from the sound of a single prototype? Will we be able to estimate distortion or will that also depend on how many speakers are playing together? We'll use a high pass filter.

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Originally posted by Twinkle Twinkle wrote:

Originally posted by levyte357 levyte357 wrote:

Firstly, most important question, which amps and drivers are you going for !?
We will use our Proline 3000. I will meet my mates on Wednesday and propose the Scaled Fane design with the PD1852 to them. Thank you very much for your recommendation. I hope they will say yes.

Originally posted by levyte357 levyte357 wrote:

Will sound nothing like 4x.

Originally posted by Sinai Sound Sinai Sound wrote:

Personally, I've never liked a single scoop, even a pair isn't that great

3 is where they start to "come alive"

So we can't guess how four speakers will sound like from the sound of a single prototype? Will we be able to estimate distortion or will that also depend on how many speakers are playing together? We'll use a high pass filter.

Best wishes
Axel


It's similar to Red Stripe - you can't drink one and estimate what
effect 3 or 4 will have .  LOL
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